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Is Intergender Wrestling Just Shock Value?

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Did you see the interview with Triple H where someone asked him about intergender wrestling? His response was as follows: “It’s just shock value. You don’t need it. When it’s done right, I do believe there is an exciting moment when it can happen, but it doesn’t need to be the standard.”

That answer made me love him even more. Not because I’m this WWE apologist, it’s because I respect anyone who has common sense as a leader and a strong enough voice to express their reasoning.

Today’s going to be a little more conversational and informal, is that okay with you?

I was so happy he said this, too.

I’m writing this from a hotel room in Las Vegas, ready to help with a taping of Ring Warriors on WGN. And in addition to that, I have an online mindset coaching group for wrestlers and sports entertainers. Where we don’t just talk about moves and in ring psychology. But we talk about the hows and the whys.” The high level psychology. Why things work and don’t work. The mindset needed to succeed in wrestling as a job and as a career. Its a conversation that has been sorely missing in this industry, where for the most part, the prevalent advice at the local level is “say you have a lot of passion, starve, and hope someone takes pity on you and offers you a contract.” I like to put the power back in the talents hands.

And that’s what Triple H is doing here in this answer. Earlier on he says, “The women don’t NEED the men as a shock value thing to get noticed.” He’s empowering the women by saying they stand on their own without intergender a wrestling.

And the reason I brought up my group a moment ago, and why I’m so happy Triple H said something, is because the members of my group are vetted and we only allow serious professionals into it. And even then, a very spirited debate broke out about intergender wrestling.

A few weeks back there was a 13 year old girl who cleanly beat a grown adult man at an independent wrestling show.

As always, my question is, “Why? Who does that serve?”

Some people said: The fans. It was entertaining.

Others said: “It shows that wrestling is for anyone, including girls, and encouraging young girls dreams.”

Others told me: “Its sports entertainment and times have changed.”

Tell me… besides the pure spectacle of it, do you honestly want to live in a world where we lower our standards so much that WrestleMania 50 is a 13 year old girl vs Brock Lesnar? And the girl wins?!?!

People go, “Yeah, but Braun Strowman brought out Nicholas at WrestleMania.”

To that I say, “It was done right.” There was a build. Nicholas didn’t get physically involved. They didn’t present Nicholas as an unstoppable hero for children everywhere. In context, it worked.

The problem I had with the 13 year old girl is not that she loves wrestling, is not that shes training, is not that shes in or involved in shows, its not that I want to ruin her dreams. Good for her.

Its that the people booking that segment mistook “bad business and bad booking” for making some type of progressive statement.

I want to set the stage for you. Its not like this 13 year old girl was afraid of the grown adult male she was in the ring with. She didn’t act age appropriate. There was no interference to help her. There was no “shocking awesome moment.”

The girl literally became Stone Cold Steve Austin and beat this guy clean in the middle.

And its not her fault! How can it be?

It is the fault of everyone who didn’t know how to make that segment work.

If I’m the booker of a company, and someone says, “Hey, we have this girl. She’s training. People follow her. Shes got 10,000 social media likes. She’s 13. Can we incorporate her somehow as a favor?”

Of course I support that.

But what I support is doing it right.

There’s no way in hell I don’t veto the idea of her becoming a Steve Austin bad ass and whooping an adult male. Regardless of his flamboyant gimmick.

Maybe she’s a manager or something. Maybe she’s in a mixed tag like Nicholas and she’s protected until the finish, and its this big dramatic moment.

But excusing horrible booking and bad execution as “progress” and “the business has changed” is going to set the bar so low that you’re not even going to recognize the business at all in 5 years. You wont even be able call it wrestling anymore. It would be like some weird alternative performance art.

And the thing that makes me scratch my head is a lot of the people who advocate this stuff, at the other side of their mouth, say “I respect old school and WWE and sports entertainment killed the business. Support the territories and indi wrestling.”

It doesn’t make sense. There’s no actual standard they hold themselves to. They just attach themselves to whatever is convenient for them to say so they can justify doing whatever.

They’re “playing” wrestler.

I digress though. Going back to intergender wrestling in general, who does it really serve?

Do they put Brock Lesnar in there with the women at UFC?

“No that would be totally unfair.”

Then why do it in wrestling?

“Well wrestling is an art and we can do whatever we want.”

Okay, what about Vince McMahon? He does sports entertainment.

“Vince isn’t true old school wrestling. Sports entertainment is killing the business.”

Huh?

Then politically, the same people: “A man should never lay a hand on a woman ever.”

Which I totally agree with. So then why intergender wrestling, then, when a man can beat up a woman?

Why intergender wrestling, when a 13 year old girl is put against a flamboyant grown man?

Is it somehow “progressive” for LGBT to have one of their people beat up by a little girl?

I don’t understand the political stance on this at all.

Then they say:
“Its art we can do whatever we want. Its empowering.”

Right. So “empowered man on woman violence.” Empowered 13 year old girl beats up an LGBT guy. Got it. Makes sense. (Sarcasm)

So remind me… why don’t you like sports entertainment though?

“Because its unrealistic and killing the business.”

“…so why is it realistic for a 13 year old girl to beat up an adult male?”

“Don’t question us, its our art.”

I’m not arguing against intergender wrestling. I could care less. Vince wrestled Stephanie on PPV.

Ronda Rousey was in a mixed tag with Triple H.

Nicholas won the tag titles with Braun Strowman.

The difference is they all had context, a reason, and a payoff, and in most cases was a win win.

What I’m pointing out though is “standards” on the independent level are often a moving goalpost and people change their viewpoint just to justify whatever it is they’re doing and hide behind calling it “art” or “politics” because its easier to go for shock value than it is to actually be a master of your craft.

Ps: The best booked intergender segment for my money is when Ronda unloaded on Triple H in the corner at WrestleMania. Totally made her a star and it was done Smartly.

Because it was one moment, and not the whole match.

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Chris King: The Wyatt Sicks’ Wasted Potential By WWE

Chris King takes a look at the WWE and their wasted potential of Uncle Howdy and the Wyatt Sicks faction.

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Chris King takes a look at the WWE and their wasted potential of Uncle Howdy and the Wyatt Sicks faction.

It’s that time of the year again, folks; it’s unfortunate and downright awful that so many WWE superstars got released today. I’m not going to list all of them, but I am going to talk about one of my favorite factions, 

The Wyatt Sicks. Nikki Cross, Joe Gacy, Erik Rowan, and Bo Dallas (Uncle Howdy) were something special. After Bo’s brother Bray Wyatt’s tragic passing, WWE felt like there was a hole that needed to be filled. Wyatt was one of the most creative and brilliant characters, and Bo would be taking over his brother’s concept and bringing it to life. In 2024, at the end of an incredible documentary highlighting Wyatt’s career and struggles, Bo appeared on the screen portrayed as Uncle Howdy. The last time Uncle Howdy was seen on-screen was at the 2023 Royal Rumble, where Wyatt defeated LA Knight in a Pitch Black Match. Howdy jumped off a structure onto Knight. 

This post-credit scene sparked so much speculation and excitement that Wyatt’s brother would carry on his legacy and possibly debut the faction that was Wyatt’s concept. On the June 17th episode of Monday Night Raw, The Wyatt Sicks made their dramatic debut ,destroying the backstage area as well as “murdering” Chad Gable. It was such an iconic arrival for Howdy as he made his menacing walk from the back into the audience who were chanting “Holy Shit.” The Sicks and American Made (Chad Gable and The Creed Brothers) battled for months, with The Sicks being victorious. On the September 9th episode of Raw, The Sicks defeated them, with Howdy getting the win with Sister Abigail. 

The following year, The Sicks would move over to Friday Night SmackDown, and it seemed like WWE had a plan in place. They would win the tag team championships from The Street Profits and start to look dominant. Now, what should have happened next is Howdy should have won the United States title. The Sicks could have held all the gold over on the blue brand, but it never happened. The Sicks entered into a never-ending feud with The MFT’s (Solo Sikoa, Tama Tonga, Tonga Loa, JC Mateo, and Talla Tonga.) It started off exciting, and the WWE Universe was red-hot for their interactions. 

After months of repetitive matches and The MFT’s stealing their lantern, the feud grew tiresome and boring. Even Tama asked Solo why they are still holding onto the lantern, as it was destroying them as a whole. Finally on the SmackDown before Mania, Tama

gave the lantern back to Howdy against Solo’s wishes. Please explain to me why both factions fought almost every single week instead of just having one final blowoff match at WrestleMania. 

It should have been either a massive street fight or a falls count anywhere match on the grandest stage of them all. Instead, it turned into a meaningless week-after-week extravaganza that benefited no one. The MFTs won the rivalry, and The Sicks don’t even work for WWE anymore. This was the same criminalized creative process that Wyatt dealt with during his first run in the company. 

We’ll never know how much of a dangerous force The Wyatt Sicks could have been in the WWE. For all their careers’ sake, I hope they stay far away from the company for as long as possible. Every superstar that was cut deserves better!

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Chris King: Bloodline Saga: Is This the Right Call For WWE?

Chris King questions the WWE’s logic in setting up Jacob Fatu as the next challenger for World Heavyweight Champion Roman Reigns 

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Chris King questions the WWE’s logic in setting up Jacob Fatu as the next challenger for World Heavyweight Champion Roman Reigns

Roman Reigns is once again World Heavyweight Champion after his dominant win over CM Punk at WrestleMania 42. On the following night on Monday Night Raw, The OG Bloodline came back together as a well-oiled machine as The Usos stood side by side with Roman. With the WWE Universe asking who would be the first to challenge “The Tribal Chief,” Jacob Fatu shocked the world by answering the call. 

Fatu is running hot after his impressive win over Drew McIntyre and feels like he is ready to become the new world champion. This bloodline segment ended Raw, and it picked right back up on SmackDown with even Solo Sikoa and the MFTs involved. This is now two shows that have been centered around The Bloodline saga, and it’s made me question whether or not WWE should be retelling this story. 

The Bloodline (Roman Reigns, The Usos, and Solo Sikoa) ran WWE for over four years as Reigns’ henchmen, doing his dirty work to retain his title. Even though Roman has declared he doesn’t want Jey and Jimmy to serve him, it sure seems like WWE are spinning their wheels. Fatu could add a whole new chapter into the story, even if he’s not able to beat Roman at Backlash. “The Samoan Werewolf” could be forced to do the same thing as Jey did all those years ago and fall in line. 

 In my opinion, I feel like Fatu should be challenging for the Undisputed WWE Championship because that’s a title I feel like he should win. I understand standing up to your blood and trying to prove you’re the best, but I don’t think this is the right move. It feels like 2022 all over again, as The Bloodline is the central focus on both shows. If Fatu doesn’t win, what happens to all his momentum he’s been building over the last two years? 

Why did WWE make this the best choice for storyline purposes? Why couldn’t creative have come up with a different challenger for Roman? There are so many other superstars that could challenge The Tribal Chief, such as Rusev, Bron Breakker, Gunther, or even a returning Sheamus. 

I just can’t help but question WWE’s logic here, and it kind of reminds me of all the times The Shield reunited. Could WWE be pushing the same storyline too many times here? Could the WWE Universe get tired of this rinse and repeat cycle of The Bloodline Saga?

Are we about to see all the weekly episodes solely focused on The Bloodline again? Will it be cinema… Yes. Is there still money in The Bloodline… Yes. Was it the right call? That’s to be determined!

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