Opinion
WWE Starrcade Belongs In Cincinnati
You guys might find this hard to believe. I haven’t been to a WWE event in person since the 2012 Royal Rumble. Sure, WWE has come through my area of the country plenty of times since I traveled to St. Louis in order to go to the Rumble with some of my friends from offtheteam.com. It’s been a combination of things. Either I’m working a baseball game next door to US Bank Arena while the show’s going on, or I’m working the next morning so I don’t want to go out, or I’m just flat not interested in going. That pretty much covers it.
There’s a pretty good chance I’ll be breaking my WWE-less streak here on November 24. WWE will return to US Bank Arena, and they’ll be presenting an event near & dear to any old wrestling fan’s heart: Starrcade. WWE Starrcade was a house show that was unavailable on WWE Network last year, and one expects it’ll be the same way this year. Check out this card they’ve announced.
- The Shield vs. Braun Strowman, Dolph Ziggler, and Drew McIntyre in a Cincinnati Street Fight.
- AJ Styles vs. Samoa Joe in a cage match for the WWE Championship.
- Becky Lynch vs. Charlotte Flair in a cage match for the SmackDown Women’s Championship.
- Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Rusev for the U.S. Championship.
- New Day vs. Sheamus and Cesaro for the Smackdown Tag Titles.
- Elias concert with Ric Flair.
That’s a pretty solid piece of business there. Lots of rematches, sure, but the cage will bring a new element to Styles/Joe & Lynch/Flair. Nakamura/Rusev should be fun, the Bar challenging for the tag straps sounds good, and we got a street fight with the Shield! Oh, and the Naitch will be there too, because how the hell do you hold a Starrcade without him? You don’t.
The Royal Rumble was a bucket list event for me. Despite what Eric Bischoff will tell you, Starrcade was the one WCW event that most of the promotion’s fans would consider a bucket list event. It was the Granddaddy of them all. Jim Crockett Promotions’ first major event that was shown on closed-circuit television. It paved the way for WrestleMania and every other supercard that followed. It might just be a house show in 2018, but it has a certain level of importance to fans like me. A lot of people were mad last year when it wasn’t carried on WWE Network, and this year’s event is already drawing some criticism. Namely, the location.
Last year’s Starrcade, the first since 2000 was held in Greensboro, North Carolina. Greensboro’s importance in Jim Crockett Promotions’ history is well-known. It served as a host city for the first four Starrcade events, splitting the event with Atlanta for the last two. 1987 saw Starrcade move to Chicago, and many people saw that as a change that hurt the event. Starrcade wasn’t the same outside of JCP’s home territory.
It’s true that Cincinnati wasn’t part of JCP’s territory. You have to look outside of that portion of WCW’s history to understand Cincinnati’s role, and to see why holding Starrcade there makes sense.
A brief history lesson
When TBS became a Superstation and started airing on cable systems across the country, Georgia Championship Wrestling became available to wrestling fans from coast to coast. This greatly upset other NWA promoters around at the time, but owner Jim Barnett claimed that nobody should have been worried because he was still only running in Georgia. This of course didn’t make anybody feel better, but there wasn’t much that could be done.
GCW stayed in Georgia for a few years, but in 1982 they started running what would become known as the Northern Tours. They had been looking into running other areas of the country based on feedback they would receive, and it turned out that fans in Ohio & Michigan were really buying into what GCW was selling. TBS’s expansion came about at the same time that The Sheik’s Big Time Wrestling territory was fading into the sunset. Sheik’s act in the main event had gotten old, his roster had either really old or really young guys on it, and the show had basically become unwatchable by the time the promotion went out of business. With Sheik out of the way, nobody was running wrestling shows in his territory. GCW decided to fill that void & successfully ran a number of cities in the area, including Cincinnati.
I consider myself more of a Southern wrestling fan than anything else. Memphis is probably the territory I’ve watched the most from over the years, and Jerry Jarrett ran shows as far north as Louisville & Lexington, Kentucky. He never made it up to the Cincinnati market, though. It was Sheik country. When older gentlemen would hear that I was a wrestling fan, the names they would mention were Wild Bill Curry & Bobo Brazil, not Jackie Fargo, Tojo Yamamoto & other stars that would be recognized by older fans a hundred or so miles south. Jarrett tried to come into Cincinnati after Sheik’s territory closed, and the TV station that previously aired Big Time Wrestling turned him down. Sheik’s show had gotten so bad at the end that they wanted nothing to do with wrestling. Fans in the area had to tune into TBS to see any type of wrestling, and that’s how they ended up getting into Tommy Rich, Buzz Sawyer, Ole Anderson & other GCW stars of the time.
Of course, we all know what ended up happening to the Georgia territory. Most of the ownership sold out to Vince McMahon & the WWF took their coveted Saturday night at 6:05 timeslot. Jim Crockett ended up with that slot & the Georgia territory once the dust finally cleared, and the NWA/WCW & WWF both would run Cincinnati until WCW closed in 2001. One company would run US Bank Arena/Firstar Center/The Crown/Riverfront Coliseum down on the river while the other would run the Cincinnati Gardens up in Norwood. They traded venues a couple of times.
Under the radar
Cincinnati tends to fly under the radar in general. It’s not one of your more densely-populated cities. Their baseball team is a small-market franchise that hasn’t been great since the 1970s. The football team…well, the less said the better on that. It flies under the radar in wrestling history too. There wasn’t a territory based out of the city, it was one of the Sheik’s furthest-away outposts. The indy scene, while stable, doesn’t rate among the best in the country & has never really marketed itself as such. Its two greatest contributions to wrestling are Brian Pillman & Dean Ambrose.
In a lot of ways, the city is comparable to Greensboro. Cincinnati is the 65th most populous city in the United States, & ranks 3rd in Ohio. Greensboro is the 68th most populous city in the United States, & ranks 3rd in North Carolina. Cincinnati shares the “Queen City” moniker with Charlotte & is one of the better college basketball markets in the nation. If you didn’t know better, you’d think Cincinnati was already in North Carolina! I bet I could find a few Cincinnati politicians to support that bathroom bill too.
I’m aware that I’ve probably put more thought into all of this than WWE’s live event planners did. But when you think about it, Cincinnati hosting Starrcade isn’t some great insult against WCW, Dusty Rhodes or Jim Crockett Promotions. For heaven’s sake, the last four WCW versions of the event were held in Washington, D.C.. What’s a bigger insult to a Southerner than holding Starrcade in the capital of the Northern aggressors?
Now they just need to put the darn thing on the Network. I’m a completist & want to be able to watch all the Starrcades back to back one of these days.
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Our Chairshot Take – Releases, Forbidden Door, Women’s Wrestling, LFG, and The Bloodline
Welcome to Our Chairshot Take! This week, 5 of your favorite contributors answer questions about the WWE releases, the Forbidden Door alliance, women main eventing WrestleMania, wrestling competition shows, and The Bloodline!
Welcome to Our Chairshot Take! This week, 5 of your favorite contributors answer questions about the WWE releases, the Forbidden Door alliance, women main eventing WrestleMania, wrestling competition shows, and The Bloodline!
Welcome to a new weekly wrestling column featuring some of your favorite Chairshot contributors (and some outside of Chairshot as well) – Our Chairshot Take! Every week, we’ll have 5 contributors answer 5 of the most interesting, intriguing, and relevant questions that you want answers too. Please, feel free to tell us why we’re right or wrong, and most importantly, let us know YOUR take! And don’t forget, #AlwaysUseYourHead!
How do you think professional wrestling companies should handle releases?
Greg: It’s hard, because personally I don’t know how they could do it any better. It’s the wrestling media who jumps on the news–and they’re just doing their job. As Booker T says, don’t hate the playa, hate the game. For wrestling news, that’s the game. Plus, some talents are going to tell the media, and that’s their prerogative.
So instead, I offer you some other solutions:
Come up with a longevity threshold where a talent can keep their name. Call it 6 years. We released Apollo Crews? He can go and be Apollo Crews elsewhere. WWE still retains ownership over the name, but they provide him permission to use it. Because, yes, they owned it and developed it, but he made it real. Let him keep it alive, if he chooses to.
Guarantee main roster deals for two years. In the case of Aleister Black, it’s easily plausible that 3-6 months from now, we’ll all see a glaring hole that he could have filled. Some things take time to get right.
Finally, leverage that TNA partnership. Keeping with the same example, imagine sending Aleister Black & Zelina Vega to TNA as a shocking surprise. It helps everyone. Work out something where TNA covers a portion of the contract. Elevate the partnership, and rise that tide that raises all ships.
Andrew: The way they’re done now is fine. There’s no pomp and circumstance for normal people when they get fired, and some traditional sports stars find out they’re traded or cut because of ESPN. Wrestling ain’t special or fancy. News nowadays is about first out, not moral high ground. Deal with it.
Kyle: Unless someone asked for their release, there really isn’t a good way to handle it. Inevitably, there will always be a section of fans who are unhappy with one of their favorite stars being released. That being said, I do think it’s generally good business to grant releases to people who ask for them, and I’m definitely not a fan of adding time onto someone’s contract who no longer wants there just because they may have been injured at some point.
Karl: I’ve never been a big fan of the announced releases. I think it brings too much unwanted attention to the employees during an already difficult time. I’m not one to defend a corporate entity either, and it’s no secret that companies fire and hire employees all the time on a daily basis whether for good reasons or bad. That said, I would find it better, or perhaps more palatable that releases are done quietly with little drawn attention. Allow that privacy for the employee being released. If they want to announce that they’ve been let go, that should fall to them, not on wrestling journalists looking for a scoop.
Rob: There should be no leaks before the wrestlers themselves are told by the companies. And I’d give people a chance to ask for theirs if they want to leave before we make any roster decisions.
Has the Forbidden Door alliance – AEW, CMLL, and New Japan – worked?
Greg: For who??? That’s rhetorical, and it’s also the point. AEW’s “strategic partnerships” haven’t benefited anyone other than AEW. Look at New Japan today: struggling. Bouncing the title around to see who sticks. Konosuke Takeshita was a perfect option for IWGP Heavyweight Champion. Didn’t have it long enough to gain traction. Send people out on longer tours, let them truly impact someone else’s business. THAT is how you build a strategic partnership.
Yes, no one from TNA has held a WWE NXT Championship outside of the Hardys. And yes, someone should. Jordynne Grace and Joe Hendry signed with WWE? It was always going to happen. At least TNA got some bump out of it. Guess what? Mike Santana and Leon Slater are gonna sign at some point, too. But their presence in WWE NXT helps TNA.
AEW’s partnerships — TNA, New Japan, and CMLL — have only benefited AEW. And that’s now how this is supposed to work.
Andrew: Hahahahahaha, oh, you’re serious? NJPW has become a farm system. Their main event scene has been in tatters and I’ve seen rats leave a sinking ship slower. NJPW went from arguably the second biggest company in the world to a footnote in where a new person comes from to the general audience. Also, AAA has been more relevant in the conversation of wrestling media in the last 6 months, as compared to CMLL in the last 5 years. This Alliance is the Go Bots of pro wrestling. Discount, K-Mart, wannabe super group, that is about as significant as Damnocracy.
Kyle: It’s worked out for AEW, but I don’t think it’s really worked for CMLL and especially not for New Japan. I can’t remember the last time that NJPW has been down as bad as they are right now. The “alliance” such as it is essentially functions as a way for AEW to test the reactions that foreign talent receive and decide whether or not to poach them from CMLL or New Japan by throwing money at them.
Karl: I don’t particularly follow these companies, but I think the answer is probably somewhere between yes and no. Defining what would make the alliance successful would be the best way to break it down. What were the goals? If the goal was to get a million dream matches on the docket, I think it’s a success. It’s a great way to get wrestling matches you couldn’t always get otherwise. If the goal was some monetary gain or bringing eyes to compete with the big dog on the block, then it’s probably less of a success. So with that, I’d probably say it’s both successful and unsuccessful depending on what your expectations were/are of the idea.
Rob: For AEW, absolutely. They’ve gotten to use people from New Japan for various things. I don’t know if it’s worked great for New Japan given how many people AEW has signed that were theirs first. CMLL has gotten to use some AEW talent on their shows so I’d call that a win for them.
What will it take for there to be another women’s main event at WrestleMania?
Greg: Intent. That’s it. It’s a quick answer. “We put the most deserving match in that spot” is a bullshit cop out. You have the ability to book and showcase the product based on your plans. If you come out of every WrestleMania with the non-negotiable that women will be in the main event of one night of WrestleMania, then you will make it happen.
You build guardrails and parameters to follow. It’s not rocket science. I book my local independent and I have had women in the main event multiple times, and had a woman win our annual Rumble and use that to win our Heavyweight Championship. I made it happen because I had an intentional plan: before, during, and after. And that’s on the indies!
It can be done, you just have to want to do it.
Andrew: A compelling story and the ability to draw the crowd in. Anyone who thinks workrate matters is a fool. If Gina Carano and Ronda Rousey had their match at Mania instead of a Netflix special, THAT would’ve headlined the show. We are a long way away from any personalities being Earth shattering enough to move a main event needle. Maybe when Bianca Belair comes back from pregnancy, but that depends on her dance partner.
Kyle: It would have to be both the right combination of major stars and a strong story that the crowds are invested in. If anyone on the current roster who’s healthy could pull it off, it’s probably Rhea just because she’s massively over still.
Karl: Given the ownership group, a miracle probably. I just don’t think that TKO understands the company they own. This isn’t anything new. We see it time and time again when larger corporations purchase companies just to have more assets on their balance sheet. The quality dips because suits have hijacked what made the product great in the past. Wrestling is no different. That’s not to say that having women main event WrestleMania is the exact thing that makes wrestling great, but the idea that anyone can get to the top, or break down a barrier, especially in sport (scripted or otherwise) is part of what makes entertainment in this format so wonderful. I don’t trust the people in charge to have their finger on the pulse of what makes wrestling great, so therefore, I think even if the women’s stories demanded top billing, they wouldn’t get it anytime soon. I’ll be happy to be wrong.
Rob: The men’s side will have to clear out a bit. As long as Roman, Cody, and Punk are still there, forget it. Especially now that Oba will be there as soon as next year and Trick is coming up. Throw in Seth and Randy, and those spots are taken for the foreseeable future. To even get in the conversation though, they have to book some kind of compelling story between two or three women that rivals what the men at the top are doing. That requires treating one or two women as equals to Rhea creatively, even if they aren’t as popular, and not just booking for pops and title wins on big 4 PLEs.
Why do you think the winners of wrestling competition shows aren’t usually successful?
Greg: The most important word in the phrase “wrestling competition show” is the last one: show. It’s a show first, a true competition later. Pumping out true successful talent isn’t actually it’s job. it’s job is to payoff for whoever is paying for the show. That’s driven by results: viewers and advertising dollars. A&E doesn’t care of Shiloh Hill main events WrestleMania unless it means more financial payoff for their investment in WWE LFG. I do think we are too quick to thrust talent into a primary role after winning. Give them time.
For my eyeballs? I’d rather see true reality style coverage, think NFL Hard Knocks, or schools like Cody Rhodes’ Nightmare Factory and Booker T’s Reality of Wrestling. With the WWE machine behind it, it can work. But in the current format, it doesn’t exist to put out TV ready talent–that’s what Evolve and NXT are for.
Plus, who is making the decisions in the end? If it’s not Triple H, Bruce Prichard, Michael Hayes, and Tony Khan (for AEW, obviously), then it doesn’t matter who wins.
Andrew: Because they aren’t wrestlers. Why aren’t most American Idol winners successful? Talent does not equate to understanding the business you want to be in. We all know of music artists we wish were more well known, but they don’t understand the game well enough to play it. It’s easy to fake it for 8 weeks on camera; it’s another thing to have the determination and resolve to live it 24/7.
Kyle: I think most of the competition show winners aren’t successful because the writing team for the competition show and the creative team for the wrestling show usually aren’t the same. Add to that the fact that the winners of these shows are usually rushed to television too soon because the company wants to capitalize on the popularity of the show, and you have a recipe for a lot of winners ending up released sooner rather than later. Arguably the most successful wrestling competition show winner was John Morrison, who won Tough Enough III, and he was given a couple of years to develop in OVW and wasn’t put on TV until he was ready and creative had something for him. Most winners don’t get that opportunity to grow, and thus, they end up failing in the long run.
Karl: Much like the winners of American Idol or The Voice don’t typically amount to a hill of beans, I see wrestling competition shows in the same vein. Sure, you’ll have the occasional standout, but it’s just really hard to be consistently great at anything without working at it. On a competition show, you’re all in, all the time, because otherwise you’re going home. But what happens when you win that show? Does the drive stay high? It can be difficult I think, because once you’re in the door, you’re no longer looked at as someone special. You’re now just like everyone else. Or, the flip side, you’re put under the bright lights too quickly and it doesn’t work. Not to mention, there are people in the locker room who have been working their whole life for this thing you achieved in a matter of months. It’s going to naturally devolve into jealousy by your peers. I think competition show winners fall prey to the pressure of sustained success.
Rob: Winning the competition isn’t the same as succeeding in the real world. The competition is a closed space and its own entity. Just like how Star Search and American Idol winners are often not the most successful people from their group.
Has the Bloodline storyline jumped the shark?
Greg: In a word: no.
In a few words: absolutely hell the freak not.
In more words: do you know what the phrase “jump the shark” actually means? Look it up. It comes from the old TV show Happy Days, where Arthur Fonzarelli, aka “The Fonze” and “Fonzie,” actually jumps over a shark on his motorcycle. After that, the show was never really the same again. Jumping the shark was the moment. That’s what it means.
Now circle back to The Bloodline. What’s their “jump the shark” moment? There isn’t one! Are we producing “cinema” like the height of the Sami Zayn story? No, not at all. But we haven’t jumped the shark. Instead, we’ve evolved. Roman Reigns’ ascension back to the world title saw Jimmy & Jey Uso get slowly infused back into the fold, but what did Roman do after? He said that they now stand together. They are more equal now. There’s no wiseman, there’s no outlier Sami Zayn character, no solo as the right hand man.
It hasn’t jumped the shark, it’s evolved. And I want to see where it goes next.
Andrew: Bloodline should’ve been dead when Jacob and Solo split. I don’t think there’s been anything egregious enough to imply it “Jumped the Shark,” as in, a desperation ploy to keep it going. But it’s just outlasted it’s welcome. While Roman will always be my OTC, and I’ve been ride or die with the Werewolf and G.O.D., we can stop dragging it on into perpetuity. Let people go their own ways without a reference every other month, and no more Honorary Usos. That LA Knight shirt was ALMOST a shark jump…but the angle was so insignificant in the grand scheme of things, it didn’t matter enough to even register anywhere near the Island of Relevancy.
Kyle: I watched Jacob Fatu put the Tribal Chief in a Tongan Death Grip. You’re not gonna catch me in these streets disrespecting any of the Polynesian wrestlers or their storylines. I don’t want NONE of that smoke.
Karl: The Bloodline story is probably running out of juice, for a lot of the same reasons big time storylines run out of juice. There’s not much left to squeeze. There are only so many ways you can take a story. You can try to keep it fresh, and on a smaller scale, you can run into the old nWo problem of too many cooks in the kitchen. The Bloodline ran with a lot of new members, and new introductions. It helped build some of them to important status, but at a certain point, new pathways need to be created for all involved. You can always revisit what made the stories great. I’ve always thought the way the Shield was handled post-break up has been well done. Callbacks here and there to what made them great, to what broke them apart, etc., were always fun ways to remind the fans, but continuing with the angle will always fall flat, especially with how short the attention span of most people can be.
Rob: It all depends on whether or not they have some good enemies this year. If they’re just running back all of the bits they did last time then yes. But if they can find some new things to do, then they’ll be fine.
Greg – @GregDeMarco44
Andrew – @IWCWarChief
Kyle – @OutsidersEdgeCS
Karl — @OutsidersEdgeCS
Rob – @rbonne1
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Chris King: Too Soon For Seth Rollins vs. Bron Breaker?
Is WWE Backlash too soon for Bron Breakker vs Seth Rollins? Chris King weighs in!
Is WWE Backlash too soon for Bron Breakker vs Seth Rollins? Chris King weighs in!
‘The Visionary’ Seth Freakin’ Rollins and Bron Breakker opened Monday Night Raw in an extremely intense face-off. Both superstars traded barbs at each other. Rollins, being the veteran, was trying to show the young up-and-comer Breakker that he isn’t ready to become the next big-money superstar in the WWE. Breakker told his former Vision leader that he never needed him and got sick and tired of fighting Rollins’ battles.
Rollins threw out the challenge for Backlash, but I am questioning whether it’s wise to give away the one-on-one match so early. Breakker made his shocking return at WrestleMania, taking out Rollins and costing him the match against Gunther.

The following night Breakker broke his rival in two, delivering two massive spears. Last week, The Street Profits returned to help Rollins against The Vision, and that made me believe WWE was heading in a different direction. I was thinking that WWE should book The Vision vs. The Street Profits and Rollins in a six-man tag team match, but this week, Montez Ford said that they didn’t return for Rollins and they want the tag team titles. Rollins will face Breakker in a highly anticipated singles match at Backlash, where I am predicting Rollins to get the win. I can easily see Rollins’ fourteen years of experience getting the better of the young up-and-comer to outsmart him.
While The Street Profits attempt to win the championships from Austin Theory and Logan Paul, I don’t see a title change happening anytime soon. If that’s the case, then I can see Rollins and The Street Profits teaming up in a few weeks or possibly at Night of Champions. This would also extend the rivalry between Rollins and Breakker all the way into SummerSlam, where Rollins will take the loss. I am happy that WWE didn’t rush this and add it to the Mania card because now this feud has time to develop properly.
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