Opinion
Our Chairshot Take – AEW, AJ Styles, Vince McMahon, Indy Wrestling, and Journalism
Welcome to Our Chairshot Take! This week, 5 of your favorite contributors answer questions about AEW, AJ Styles, Vince McMahon, Indy wrestling, and and wrestling journalism!
Welcome to Our Chairshot Take! This week, 5 of your favorite contributors answer questions about AEW, AJ Styles, Vince McMahon, Indy wrestling, and and wrestling journalism!
Welcome to a new weekly wrestling column featuring some of your favorite Chairshot contributors (and some outside of Chairshot as well) – Our Chairshot Take! Every week, we’ll have 5 contributors answer 5 of the most interesting, intriguing, and relevant questions that you want answers too. Please, feel free to tell us why we’re right or wrong, and most importantly, let us know YOUR take! And don’t forget, #AlwaysUseYourHead!
Is AEW crowing a new champion on free TV and advertising all over Las Vegas during WrestleMania week good business or bush league?
Greg: It’s so easy to call a move like this from AEW bush league, but that is very short-sighted. You have to remove your biases when answering a question like this. WWE WrestleMania Week likely has far less to do with it than the fact that they were in Seattle. But it also got a ton of attention, which for AEW is good no matter when it happens. So, to me, this is good business.
Andrew: Por que no los dos? During the Monday Night Wars, both WCW and WWF switched titles on TV, promoted during each other’s show, and openly tried to undermine one another. It’s business, baby!
Dave: It was very good business, and more importantly, very smart business. WrestleMania week is the week of the year when the most eyes are on the product. That was even more true this year with WrestleMania going to ESPN. On top of that, WWE was catching a lot of grief from the fans for ticket prices, attendance issues, and the overall booking of the card(s). Why wouldn’t AEW try to take advantage of that for their own benefit? This is a promotion that has taken it on the chin for a couple of years now. You take advantage of an opportunity when it is given to you. I give AEW damn near full marks for their marketing and related tactics last week.
Kyle: It’s honestly both. Counter programming your rival in the petty way that they did it is Bush League nonsense, it’s petty when WWE does it and it’s equally petty when AEW does it. At the same time, WrestleMania week is the pinnacle of the wrestling calendar and a bunch of the Indy feds will plan major shows or angles during that week because they know so many fans will be in town for Mania and focused on professional wrestling. AEW advertising their stuff all over Vegas is really no different, they’re just a bigger promotion.
Rey: No, I don’t think it’s bush league, but I do think it’s dirty pool. There’s nothing wrong with a professional wrestling company trying to get advertisement and viewers during the biggest wrestling week of the year. I think it’s dirty pool, however, because Tony Khan has spoken ad nauseum about how much he doesn’t want to “piggy back” off of WrestleMania weekend, and he wants to stand alone on his own merits. So to end up doing that, but not doing it overtly is clever but not the strongest attempt. I think Tony should just bear down and do shows in the city where Mania is like the other companies. At least put ROH’s SuperCard of Honor back that weekend. But giving Darby the World Championship and usurping advertising isn’t wrong. It’s just not a strong attempt.
Where did AJ Styles have the better and more iconic career – WWE or TNA?
Greg: AJ Styles should forever be considered Mr. TNA. He held five world titles in TNA, 6 X-Division titles – and he was the first – and had 19 total title reigns while in TNA (couldn’t give him one more?). Simply put, you can’t tell the story of TNA without the name AJ Styles. That said? He spent ten years in WWE, and during the early part of his tenure, he was champion more often than he wasn’t. He wrestled in football stadiums, and won the most prestigious title in wrestling history twice. He easily tripled his fandom during his decade in WWE. Bottom line? AJ Styles’ career was iconic in BOTH TNA and WWE. But no one is bigger than WWE, so his time there is most iconic by default.
Andrew: TNA was the more iconic career. At the time of his TNA run, his style was still burgeoning. It was fresh and the whole product inspired many young wrestlers. Even toward the end of his WWE run, they were mentioning TNA accolades more since the relationship was in a good spot. While he had more financial success and eyes in WWE, he became Phenomenal in TNA. Without TNA, there’s no New Japan run, and then WWE doesn’t take the shot on him. You gotta be a big deal outside of WWE during the Vince era for Vince to cave in and give you a prominent position right out of the gates.
Dave: Longer does not mean better. The answer is WWE. That does not diminish his accomplishments in TNA, NJPW, or wherever. But you also have to be honest. When AJ Styles came out at #3 in the 2016 Rumble, his life changed dramatically. He packed in so much with WWE in just a decade. He was never a “Vince guy,” but he won over one of the hardest men to please in the industry’s history. His WWE resume speaks for itself: 2x WWE Champion, 1x IC Champ, 3X US Champion, 2x Tag Team Champion with two different partners, a Triple Crown and Grand Slam Champion, and a Hall of Famer. As I said before, WWE is the right answer here.
Kyle: The answer is TNA and it’s honestly not even close in my opinion. While his WWE career was iconic (SmackDown will always be the House That AJ Styles Built), what he meant to TNA cannot be understated. He was the company’s first real home-grown star. He was the inaugural X-Division Champion (a title he would win six times), the fourth ever World Champion (a title he would win five times), the first TNA triple crown winner (five times), the first TNA Grand Slam Winner (two times), a Bound for Glory series winner, and one third of arguably the best main event in TNA history (the Triple Threat Match vs. Christopher Daniels & Samoa Joe at Unbreakable 2005). From the birth of the Phenomenal One, to joining Christian’s Coalition, to feuding with the likes of Kurt Angle and Christopher Daniels, to becoming the Lone Wolf, AJ Styles was at the center of some of the most important moments in TNA history. Simply put, AJ Styles was one of, if not THE greatest star in TNA has ever had and his legacy in that company may never be matched.
Rey: Honestly? WWE. I loved TNA as much as any fan walking the Earth in their early days. AJ Styles is synonymous with TNA. And the things he achieved there are legendary. In fact, it’s the reason why he’s known worldwide now. But we’ve reached a point where he was in WWE just one year less than he was in TNA. And in those 10 years, he’s become one of the best WWE stars of his generation. Despite winning multiple world titles, he’s feuded with the biggest stars WWE has, most notably having an epic feud with John Cena. As great as TNA is, WWE is the biggest game in town. And AJ was able to make an immediate impact, ultimately becoming a Hall of Famer. So, as crazy as it sounds, the answer is WWE.
Should the WWE completely move away from any and all Vince McMahon references on television?
Greg: This should be an open and shut question with a quick answer – YES. But it’s not quite that easy to me. Vince McMahon isn’t just part of the story of WWE; for much of it, he’s THE story. His fingerprints are all over the company – his daughter is a permanent beloved figurehead regardless of any official title she holds. The current Chief Content Officer – Triple H – and Executive Producer of Creative, Writing, & Television – Bruce Prichard – are essentially disciples of Vince McMahon. Purposefully avoiding any references would be equally obvious and forced. What you do is you don’t purposefully bring him up. If it happens organically, so be it. Don’t do it on purpose, and don’t avoid it on purpose.
Andrew: As long as Stephanie still goes by McMahon and not Helmsley or Levesque…kind of an impossibility. I feel like we’ll remain in a world where they don’t refer to him much. But if there’s an Old School episode again, or when he ultimately passes away, they’re not just going to ignore it. For better or for worse, Vince is going to be in people’s vernacular until at least the Millennial generation no longer exists to pine about the Attitude Era.
Dave: Absolutely not. We are talking about, inarguably, the most important person in the business’s history. The man who put WrestleMania on the map and brought pro wrestling from a territory-based form of entertainment to a global and mainstream entertainment juggernaut. Is he a sexual deviant and a complete POS? Yes, I think the evidence speaks for itself there, at least in the court of public opinion. But you can say that about a lot of people, including former (and present) US Presidents, as well as people with power in all walks of life. The Epstein Files show just how deep and dark that rabbit hole goes. But Vince is so inextricably intertwined with the history of pro wrestling that never mentioning him at all tells a story of half-truths and cherry-picked information scrubbed clean of critical details. By all means, limit any references to him. But a zero-tolerance approach to Vince McMahon is just not the way to go.
Kyle: Vince is a horrible person, but he’s too important to the company’s history to pretend he never existed. Some things we just have to live with, and this is one of them.
Rey: I feel conflicted about this question because there’s no good answer here. There is no professional wrestling as we know it without Vince McMahon. Everything we see, we owe to him. Vince is also one of the worst humans walking the Earth in my opinion. We’ve long known that he wasn’t a good person, but it was largely believed to just be from a personality standpoint. Now, we know how terribly he treated people, specifically women. The story of Janel Grant, whether it reaches a fair and respectable resolution in court, will never be forgotten and is the story of an unchecked megalomaniacal billionaire who took advantage of people simply because he could.
Here’s my honest take – you can’t separate him. This is not a Chris Benoit situation. As big and successful as Benoit was, you can tell the story of WWE and wrestling as a whole without him. You can’t tell that same story without Vince. So, he has to be referenced. Now, he doesn’t have to be mentioned directly. Recently, WWE has had a lot of mentions of his name on television, most notably with his daughter, Stephanie McMahon, being inducted to the Hall of Fame. So, that was a completely understandable time to reference and mention him. That is not the same as needlessly talking about him on a random Raw. Keep his mentions to the necessary stuff and we’ll be fine.
What will it take for one of the major Indy companies – GCW, MLW, DEFY, and HOG – to become mainstream?
Greg: This might be the most difficult question to answer. Each one of these companies has distribution across various levels, mostly streaming. They each have a following. They’ve all produced stars you see on weekly television today. Two have major money backing. But mainstream? There’s one HUGE factor that none of these companies can control: space. Where do they fit? We currently have weekly wrestling on TV Monday through Saturday. That includes four WWE brands (with Evolve), two weekly shows for AEW, and TNA now being on a major cable outlet. To me, the mainstream is already overcrowded, and I don’t see space for another company to make that leap.
Andrew: They need Jesus. Just like in wrestling, there’s main eventers, mid carders, lower guys, and local enhancement talent. The promotions work the same way. Ain’t no one clamoring for a G-League basketball team to get a new franchise slot, or for the UFL champions to play the Browns or Jets in a relegation match. As long as the bigger Indies are making money and paying talent their rate…not everyone needs to be mainstream. NWA found out the hard way that there aren’t enough TV stations or general demand for “mainstream.”
Dave: The only way this happens is if one of the Indy Companies cuts a deal with WWE, similar to what ECW did back in the day and what TNA and AAA have with them now. WWE, and to a much lesser extent, AEW, has the biggest stranglehold in mainstream media, and that is not going to change. The Indy promotions have great talent, but none who would have what it takes to break through on a mainstream level. You can’t beat WWE, so you might as well join them if you want to get some mainstream attention.
Kyle: The same thing that it took AEW: a billionaire investor and a major television contract.
Rey: Money. The quick answer is money. Tony Khan and his family spent millions of dollars and immediately became a player in the wrestling business. So definitely money.
To get a bit more specific, I once wrote a column about this very thing. To spare you time, the main things were having a specific creative vision, hiring a talented and unique booker, having or creating at least 3 needle movers, using the internet to their advantage, and having a television deal. You can’t be a major company if people can’t watch your program easily and with consistent quality.
The closest of the 4 companies listed is MLW, because they have some level of television access, they have a unique booker in Court Bauer, they have a history of talent and current wrestlers that are known and/or could be needle movers, and they use the internet well. GCW has a great chance as well, specifically because of their booker (Brett Lauderdale) and their very unique and fan-friendly creative vision, but their reliance on hardcore and violent themes and matches will hurt them.
Should wrestling journalists and reporters be able to get access to shows and companies regardless of their reporting?
Greg: On the surface, my answer is a quick “yeah, sure,” but it’s deeper than that. It’s relatively easy to get credentials to TNA, MLW, and New Japan (when they’re in the United States) because they NEED the coverage. They practically beg for it. I’ve personally gotten members of The Chairshot credentials to all of the aforementioned companies with relative ease. But that’s not WWE or AEW, and those are the companies more in question right now. If you’re WWE, and even if to a lesser extent, AEW, you aren’t begging for coverage. You’re a magnet for it. You are in the position to pick and choose. You hold the luxury of having riches of reporters and journalists wanting to cover your product, and the benefit of choosing who fits your long-term goals. And if you’re a reporter, what are you complaining about? Not having free tickets? Everything you need to see is available to you via some form of broadcast. You can still do your job.
Andrew: No, not at all. If you want to take a hard stance against a wrestler, angle, or company, and they choose to blackball you? Deal with it, buttercup. I haven’t been able to tolerate AEW since 2020. You think I have the unmitigated gall to assume they’d give me a press pass just because I know someone or work for a place? Stop it. If you claim to be unbiased, you have to give unbiased takes all the time. As soon as you stop being measured in your interactions, you deserve whatever positive or negative attention that comes with it.
Dave: No! There is too much inherent bias among many of the journalists who cover pro wrestling now. I use the Wrestling Observer as a template here. The pro-AEW, anti-WWE stance they take does not feel like unbiased journalism. To the contrary, more often than not, it feels like a bought-and-paid-for hit piece. The same could be said about journalists who crap all over AEW, no matter what. So, if I am WWE or AEW, I do not see the need or advantage gained from providing unfettered access to shows and companies to journalists who are clearly shown to be hostile to the company in question.
Kyle: Freedom of the Press means freedom to report whatever they want as long as the reporting is true. Gatekeeping access to the company doesn’t get rid of negative reporting, it makes it seem like the company is hiding something, which will only encourage a good journalist to dig even harder for information.
Rey: For free? No. Wrestling is not a sport. And with respect to some of the actual reputable wrestling journalists (there’s not many), wrestling journalism is a misnomer. I have no issue if a journalist or influencer who likes to specifically attack, criticize, or speak negatively of a company loses his press access to a wrestling company or a show.
They should now, however, be banned from going to the show at all. If they buy a ticket, they should be able to attend. Nobody deserves access for free just because they work in news and media, but everyone deserves access if they pay their hard earned money to buy a ticket.
Greg – @GregDeMarco44
Andrew – @IWCWarChief
Dave – www.attitudeofaggression.com
Kyle – @OutsidersEdgeCS
Rey – @itsreycash
Chairshot Radio Network
Launched in 2017, the Chairshot Radio Network presents you with the best in sports, entertainment, and sports entertainment. Wrestling and wrestling crossover podcasts + the most interesting content + the most engaging hosts = the most entertaining podcasts you’ll find!
MONDAY - Bandwagon Nerds (entertainment & popular culture)
TUESDAY - 4 Corners Podcast (sports)
WEDNESDAY - The Greg DeMarco Show (wrestling)
THURSDAY - Nefarious Means
FRIDAY - DWI Podcast (Drunk Wrestling Intellect)
SATURDAY - The Mindless Wrestling Podcast
SUNDAY - 30 Mindless Minutes
CHAIRSHOT RADIO NETWORK PODCAST SPECIALS
Attitude Of Aggression Podcast: The Big Five Project (chronologically exploring WWE's PPV/PLE history) Unidentified History (Ufology) & Game Gone Wrong (Game of Thrones Universe)
Chairshot Radio Network Your home for the hardest hitting podcasts... Sports, Entertainment and Sports Entertainment!
Powered by RedCircle
Let us know what you think on social media @ChairshotMedia and always remember to use the hashtag #UseYourHead!
Opinion
Chris King: Defend The Intercontinental Championship At Backlash!
With WWE Backlash upon us, Chris King wants to see Penta defend the Intercontinental Championship in Tampa!
With WWE Backlash upon us, Chris King wants to see Penta defend the Intercontinental Championship in Tampa!
This year’s annual Backlash showcase is only a few days away, and while there are many big matches announced, one that definitely should be isn’t on the card. In my opinion, outside of Roman Reigns/Jacob Fatu and Seth Rollins/Bron Breakker, the Intercontinental Championship scene has been stellar over the last month.
Penta has been an excellent champion, especially after his triumphant title defense in a ladder match against JeVon Evans, Rusev, Dragon Lee, and the Hall of Famer Rey Mysterio at WrestleMania 42. Their ladder match at Mania was one of the best that WWE has produced in a while.
The momentum never stopped, as on the post-Mania episode of Monday Night Raw, ‘All Ego’ Ethan Page made his debut and was quickly inserted into the Intercontinental title scene. Page had a fantastic showing against his longtime NXT rival Evans and picked up a big win in his debut match thanks to an assist from Rusev.
All Ego immediately joined forces with ‘The Bulgarian Brute’ Rusev, who was also vying for the Intercontinental Title in his own right. On this week’s episode of Raw, Page and Rusev defeated Evans and Penta. All Ego pinned the champion, making a huge statement and putting him one step closer to getting a title shot. For the past few weeks I’ve been anxiously waiting to see if WWE was going to add this incredible fatal four-way match for the Intercontinental Championship, but it hasn’t happened yet.
As much as the WWE Universe enjoys witnessing great matches on free television, I truly believe all four superstars deserve the chance to showcase their talents on the PLE. While Penta has done a terrific job as the intercontinental champion, it’s time for a fresh face to hold the prestigious title. Page would make a great braggadocious heel that would help elevate the Intercontinental Championship to new heights!
Chairshot Radio Network
Launched in 2017, the Chairshot Radio Network presents you with the best in sports, entertainment, and sports entertainment. Wrestling and wrestling crossover podcasts + the most interesting content + the most engaging hosts = the most entertaining podcasts you’ll find!
MONDAY - Bandwagon Nerds (entertainment & popular culture)
TUESDAY - 4 Corners Podcast (sports)
WEDNESDAY - The Greg DeMarco Show (wrestling)
THURSDAY - Nefarious Means
FRIDAY - DWI Podcast (Drunk Wrestling Intellect)
SATURDAY - The Mindless Wrestling Podcast
SUNDAY - 30 Mindless Minutes
CHAIRSHOT RADIO NETWORK PODCAST SPECIALS
Attitude Of Aggression Podcast: The Big Five Project (chronologically exploring WWE's PPV/PLE history) Unidentified History (Ufology) & Game Gone Wrong (Game of Thrones Universe)
Chairshot Radio Network Your home for the hardest hitting podcasts... Sports, Entertainment and Sports Entertainment!
Powered by RedCircle
Let us know what you think on social media @ChairshotMedia and always remember to use the hashtag #UseYourHead!
Opinion
Our Chairshot Take – Releases, Forbidden Door, Women’s Wrestling, LFG, and The Bloodline
Welcome to Our Chairshot Take! This week, 5 of your favorite contributors answer questions about the WWE releases, the Forbidden Door alliance, women main eventing WrestleMania, wrestling competition shows, and The Bloodline!
Welcome to Our Chairshot Take! This week, 5 of your favorite contributors answer questions about the WWE releases, the Forbidden Door alliance, women main eventing WrestleMania, wrestling competition shows, and The Bloodline!
Welcome to a new weekly wrestling column featuring some of your favorite Chairshot contributors (and some outside of Chairshot as well) – Our Chairshot Take! Every week, we’ll have 5 contributors answer 5 of the most interesting, intriguing, and relevant questions that you want answers too. Please, feel free to tell us why we’re right or wrong, and most importantly, let us know YOUR take! And don’t forget, #AlwaysUseYourHead!
How do you think professional wrestling companies should handle releases?
Greg: It’s hard, because personally I don’t know how they could do it any better. It’s the wrestling media who jumps on the news–and they’re just doing their job. As Booker T says, don’t hate the playa, hate the game. For wrestling news, that’s the game. Plus, some talents are going to tell the media, and that’s their prerogative.
So instead, I offer you some other solutions:
Come up with a longevity threshold where a talent can keep their name. Call it 6 years. We released Apollo Crews? He can go and be Apollo Crews elsewhere. WWE still retains ownership over the name, but they provide him permission to use it. Because, yes, they owned it and developed it, but he made it real. Let him keep it alive, if he chooses to.
Guarantee main roster deals for two years. In the case of Aleister Black, it’s easily plausible that 3-6 months from now, we’ll all see a glaring hole that he could have filled. Some things take time to get right.
Finally, leverage that TNA partnership. Keeping with the same example, imagine sending Aleister Black & Zelina Vega to TNA as a shocking surprise. It helps everyone. Work out something where TNA covers a portion of the contract. Elevate the partnership, and rise that tide that raises all ships.
Andrew: The way they’re done now is fine. There’s no pomp and circumstance for normal people when they get fired, and some traditional sports stars find out they’re traded or cut because of ESPN. Wrestling ain’t special or fancy. News nowadays is about first out, not moral high ground. Deal with it.
Kyle: Unless someone asked for their release, there really isn’t a good way to handle it. Inevitably, there will always be a section of fans who are unhappy with one of their favorite stars being released. That being said, I do think it’s generally good business to grant releases to people who ask for them, and I’m definitely not a fan of adding time onto someone’s contract who no longer wants there just because they may have been injured at some point.
Karl: I’ve never been a big fan of the announced releases. I think it brings too much unwanted attention to the employees during an already difficult time. I’m not one to defend a corporate entity either, and it’s no secret that companies fire and hire employees all the time on a daily basis whether for good reasons or bad. That said, I would find it better, or perhaps more palatable that releases are done quietly with little drawn attention. Allow that privacy for the employee being released. If they want to announce that they’ve been let go, that should fall to them, not on wrestling journalists looking for a scoop.
Rob: There should be no leaks before the wrestlers themselves are told by the companies. And I’d give people a chance to ask for theirs if they want to leave before we make any roster decisions.
Has the Forbidden Door alliance – AEW, CMLL, and New Japan – worked?
Greg: For who??? That’s rhetorical, and it’s also the point. AEW’s “strategic partnerships” haven’t benefited anyone other than AEW. Look at New Japan today: struggling. Bouncing the title around to see who sticks. Konosuke Takeshita was a perfect option for IWGP Heavyweight Champion. Didn’t have it long enough to gain traction. Send people out on longer tours, let them truly impact someone else’s business. THAT is how you build a strategic partnership.
Yes, no one from TNA has held a WWE NXT Championship outside of the Hardys. And yes, someone should. Jordynne Grace and Joe Hendry signed with WWE? It was always going to happen. At least TNA got some bump out of it. Guess what? Mike Santana and Leon Slater are gonna sign at some point, too. But their presence in WWE NXT helps TNA.
AEW’s partnerships — TNA, New Japan, and CMLL — have only benefited AEW. And that’s now how this is supposed to work.
Andrew: Hahahahahaha, oh, you’re serious? NJPW has become a farm system. Their main event scene has been in tatters and I’ve seen rats leave a sinking ship slower. NJPW went from arguably the second biggest company in the world to a footnote in where a new person comes from to the general audience. Also, AAA has been more relevant in the conversation of wrestling media in the last 6 months, as compared to CMLL in the last 5 years. This Alliance is the Go Bots of pro wrestling. Discount, K-Mart, wannabe super group, that is about as significant as Damnocracy.
Kyle: It’s worked out for AEW, but I don’t think it’s really worked for CMLL and especially not for New Japan. I can’t remember the last time that NJPW has been down as bad as they are right now. The “alliance” such as it is essentially functions as a way for AEW to test the reactions that foreign talent receive and decide whether or not to poach them from CMLL or New Japan by throwing money at them.
Karl: I don’t particularly follow these companies, but I think the answer is probably somewhere between yes and no. Defining what would make the alliance successful would be the best way to break it down. What were the goals? If the goal was to get a million dream matches on the docket, I think it’s a success. It’s a great way to get wrestling matches you couldn’t always get otherwise. If the goal was some monetary gain or bringing eyes to compete with the big dog on the block, then it’s probably less of a success. So with that, I’d probably say it’s both successful and unsuccessful depending on what your expectations were/are of the idea.
Rob: For AEW, absolutely. They’ve gotten to use people from New Japan for various things. I don’t know if it’s worked great for New Japan given how many people AEW has signed that were theirs first. CMLL has gotten to use some AEW talent on their shows so I’d call that a win for them.
What will it take for there to be another women’s main event at WrestleMania?
Greg: Intent. That’s it. It’s a quick answer. “We put the most deserving match in that spot” is a bullshit cop out. You have the ability to book and showcase the product based on your plans. If you come out of every WrestleMania with the non-negotiable that women will be in the main event of one night of WrestleMania, then you will make it happen.
You build guardrails and parameters to follow. It’s not rocket science. I book my local independent and I have had women in the main event multiple times, and had a woman win our annual Rumble and use that to win our Heavyweight Championship. I made it happen because I had an intentional plan: before, during, and after. And that’s on the indies!
It can be done, you just have to want to do it.
Andrew: A compelling story and the ability to draw the crowd in. Anyone who thinks workrate matters is a fool. If Gina Carano and Ronda Rousey had their match at Mania instead of a Netflix special, THAT would’ve headlined the show. We are a long way away from any personalities being Earth shattering enough to move a main event needle. Maybe when Bianca Belair comes back from pregnancy, but that depends on her dance partner.
Kyle: It would have to be both the right combination of major stars and a strong story that the crowds are invested in. If anyone on the current roster who’s healthy could pull it off, it’s probably Rhea just because she’s massively over still.
Karl: Given the ownership group, a miracle probably. I just don’t think that TKO understands the company they own. This isn’t anything new. We see it time and time again when larger corporations purchase companies just to have more assets on their balance sheet. The quality dips because suits have hijacked what made the product great in the past. Wrestling is no different. That’s not to say that having women main event WrestleMania is the exact thing that makes wrestling great, but the idea that anyone can get to the top, or break down a barrier, especially in sport (scripted or otherwise) is part of what makes entertainment in this format so wonderful. I don’t trust the people in charge to have their finger on the pulse of what makes wrestling great, so therefore, I think even if the women’s stories demanded top billing, they wouldn’t get it anytime soon. I’ll be happy to be wrong.
Rob: The men’s side will have to clear out a bit. As long as Roman, Cody, and Punk are still there, forget it. Especially now that Oba will be there as soon as next year and Trick is coming up. Throw in Seth and Randy, and those spots are taken for the foreseeable future. To even get in the conversation though, they have to book some kind of compelling story between two or three women that rivals what the men at the top are doing. That requires treating one or two women as equals to Rhea creatively, even if they aren’t as popular, and not just booking for pops and title wins on big 4 PLEs.
Why do you think the winners of wrestling competition shows aren’t usually successful?
Greg: The most important word in the phrase “wrestling competition show” is the last one: show. It’s a show first, a true competition later. Pumping out true successful talent isn’t actually it’s job. it’s job is to payoff for whoever is paying for the show. That’s driven by results: viewers and advertising dollars. A&E doesn’t care of Shiloh Hill main events WrestleMania unless it means more financial payoff for their investment in WWE LFG. I do think we are too quick to thrust talent into a primary role after winning. Give them time.
For my eyeballs? I’d rather see true reality style coverage, think NFL Hard Knocks, or schools like Cody Rhodes’ Nightmare Factory and Booker T’s Reality of Wrestling. With the WWE machine behind it, it can work. But in the current format, it doesn’t exist to put out TV ready talent–that’s what Evolve and NXT are for.
Plus, who is making the decisions in the end? If it’s not Triple H, Bruce Prichard, Michael Hayes, and Tony Khan (for AEW, obviously), then it doesn’t matter who wins.
Andrew: Because they aren’t wrestlers. Why aren’t most American Idol winners successful? Talent does not equate to understanding the business you want to be in. We all know of music artists we wish were more well known, but they don’t understand the game well enough to play it. It’s easy to fake it for 8 weeks on camera; it’s another thing to have the determination and resolve to live it 24/7.
Kyle: I think most of the competition show winners aren’t successful because the writing team for the competition show and the creative team for the wrestling show usually aren’t the same. Add to that the fact that the winners of these shows are usually rushed to television too soon because the company wants to capitalize on the popularity of the show, and you have a recipe for a lot of winners ending up released sooner rather than later. Arguably the most successful wrestling competition show winner was John Morrison, who won Tough Enough III, and he was given a couple of years to develop in OVW and wasn’t put on TV until he was ready and creative had something for him. Most winners don’t get that opportunity to grow, and thus, they end up failing in the long run.
Karl: Much like the winners of American Idol or The Voice don’t typically amount to a hill of beans, I see wrestling competition shows in the same vein. Sure, you’ll have the occasional standout, but it’s just really hard to be consistently great at anything without working at it. On a competition show, you’re all in, all the time, because otherwise you’re going home. But what happens when you win that show? Does the drive stay high? It can be difficult I think, because once you’re in the door, you’re no longer looked at as someone special. You’re now just like everyone else. Or, the flip side, you’re put under the bright lights too quickly and it doesn’t work. Not to mention, there are people in the locker room who have been working their whole life for this thing you achieved in a matter of months. It’s going to naturally devolve into jealousy by your peers. I think competition show winners fall prey to the pressure of sustained success.
Rob: Winning the competition isn’t the same as succeeding in the real world. The competition is a closed space and its own entity. Just like how Star Search and American Idol winners are often not the most successful people from their group.
Has the Bloodline storyline jumped the shark?
Greg: In a word: no.
In a few words: absolutely hell the freak not.
In more words: do you know what the phrase “jump the shark” actually means? Look it up. It comes from the old TV show Happy Days, where Arthur Fonzarelli, aka “The Fonze” and “Fonzie,” actually jumps over a shark on his motorcycle. After that, the show was never really the same again. Jumping the shark was the moment. That’s what it means.
Now circle back to The Bloodline. What’s their “jump the shark” moment? There isn’t one! Are we producing “cinema” like the height of the Sami Zayn story? No, not at all. But we haven’t jumped the shark. Instead, we’ve evolved. Roman Reigns’ ascension back to the world title saw Jimmy & Jey Uso get slowly infused back into the fold, but what did Roman do after? He said that they now stand together. They are more equal now. There’s no wiseman, there’s no outlier Sami Zayn character, no solo as the right hand man.
It hasn’t jumped the shark, it’s evolved. And I want to see where it goes next.
Andrew: Bloodline should’ve been dead when Jacob and Solo split. I don’t think there’s been anything egregious enough to imply it “Jumped the Shark,” as in, a desperation ploy to keep it going. But it’s just outlasted it’s welcome. While Roman will always be my OTC, and I’ve been ride or die with the Werewolf and G.O.D., we can stop dragging it on into perpetuity. Let people go their own ways without a reference every other month, and no more Honorary Usos. That LA Knight shirt was ALMOST a shark jump…but the angle was so insignificant in the grand scheme of things, it didn’t matter enough to even register anywhere near the Island of Relevancy.
Kyle: I watched Jacob Fatu put the Tribal Chief in a Tongan Death Grip. You’re not gonna catch me in these streets disrespecting any of the Polynesian wrestlers or their storylines. I don’t want NONE of that smoke.
Karl: The Bloodline story is probably running out of juice, for a lot of the same reasons big time storylines run out of juice. There’s not much left to squeeze. There are only so many ways you can take a story. You can try to keep it fresh, and on a smaller scale, you can run into the old nWo problem of too many cooks in the kitchen. The Bloodline ran with a lot of new members, and new introductions. It helped build some of them to important status, but at a certain point, new pathways need to be created for all involved. You can always revisit what made the stories great. I’ve always thought the way the Shield was handled post-break up has been well done. Callbacks here and there to what made them great, to what broke them apart, etc., were always fun ways to remind the fans, but continuing with the angle will always fall flat, especially with how short the attention span of most people can be.
Rob: It all depends on whether or not they have some good enemies this year. If they’re just running back all of the bits they did last time then yes. But if they can find some new things to do, then they’ll be fine.
Greg – @GregDeMarco44
Andrew – @IWCWarChief
Kyle – @OutsidersEdgeCS
Karl — @OutsidersEdgeCS
Rob – @rbonne1
Chairshot Radio Network
Launched in 2017, the Chairshot Radio Network presents you with the best in sports, entertainment, and sports entertainment. Wrestling and wrestling crossover podcasts + the most interesting content + the most engaging hosts = the most entertaining podcasts you’ll find!
MONDAY - Bandwagon Nerds (entertainment & popular culture)
TUESDAY - 4 Corners Podcast (sports)
WEDNESDAY - The Greg DeMarco Show (wrestling)
THURSDAY - Nefarious Means
FRIDAY - DWI Podcast (Drunk Wrestling Intellect)
SATURDAY - The Mindless Wrestling Podcast
SUNDAY - 30 Mindless Minutes
CHAIRSHOT RADIO NETWORK PODCAST SPECIALS
Attitude Of Aggression Podcast: The Big Five Project (chronologically exploring WWE's PPV/PLE history) Unidentified History (Ufology) & Game Gone Wrong (Game of Thrones Universe)
Chairshot Radio Network Your home for the hardest hitting podcasts... Sports, Entertainment and Sports Entertainment!
Powered by RedCircle
Let us know what you think on social media @ChairshotMedia and always remember to use the hashtag #UseYourHead!
-
News4 days ago
Mason Rook Debuts in NXT, Reveals New Name After Attack on Tony D’Angelo
-
Headline News3 days ago
Dark Side of the Ring season seven to premiere July 7 with three-part TNA/Jeff Jarrett episode
-
News6 days ago
WWE Announces Three Canadian Shows in August, Promoted by Kevin Owens
-
News6 days ago
Braun Strowman Waiting on Final Paycheck After WWE Exit


