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Rob: No TV for ROH Under The Honor Club Banner
Ever since Tony Khan bought ROH, the biggest question has been television. Now we have an answer for 2023: No TV at all.
Ever since Tony Khan bought ROH, the biggest question has been television. Now we have an answer for 2023: No TV at all.
Why didn’t it happen?
A big announcement came after Ring of Honor’s Final Battle 2022 was finished, that Tony Khan was reviving Honor Club for $10 a month, and it would be home to Ring of Honor’s weekly TV show once it has been revived. This was met with both derision and disappointment as a lot of wrestling media folks were giving us the impression that some kind of broadcast television deal would be coming for ROH any day now, along with that streaming deal with HBO Max that none of us had any intel about but many of us believed would be a done deal any day now. And now reality has set in, at least about Ring of Honor getting on television of any kind. It’s not happening now and more than likely isn’t happening later.
So what gives? How did something that a lot of people convinced themselves was probable if not likely turn into something that has no chance in hell (thank you Vince)? Well, in my estimation it didn’t have much of a chance in the first place and everyone who believed it did was playing themselves, Tony Khan included. I don’t if you guys took too many Dave Meltzer happy pills or made an assumption based off of AEW’s success with television or what, but you should have never bet on this one. Why? Well for the answers we need to go back a few years before we look at today. And here’s the big take:
The Landscape has Changed
In 2018 when Tony Khan was meeting with the Elite to come up with what would be known as All Elite Wrestling, the TV landscape for pro wrestling was entirely different. Mainly, it was a lot less crowded. Here’s what the televised wrestling slate looked like in 2018:
- 5 hours of WWE (3 RAW, 2 Smakcdown)
- 2 hours each of Impact and MLW
- 1 hour each of ROH and New Japan
Now fast forward to today. Just counting shows that are on TV and not streaming, we have:
- 7 hours of WWE (3 RAW, 2 Smackdown, 2 NXT)
- 3 hours of AEW (2 Dynamite, 1 Rampage)
- 2 hours of Impact and MLW
- 1 hour of New Japan and WOW women’s wrestling
That’s 16 hours today vs. 11 four years ago, a virtual 50 percent increase. Now you tell me, do you have 50 percent more time and/or energy to watch pro wrestling? Probably not! And we haven’t even gotten to the extra hours of programming when it’s a pay per view weekend, anywhere from three to seven more hours depending on who all is running one that weekend. For all intents and purposes the TV wrestling market is beyond saturated. You would have been hard pressed to find many people who watched all 11 hours in 2018, so you know it would be almost impossible to find even one person who watches all 16 today. Any network executive worth his or her salt can see the dropoff from Smackdown’s 2 million to Dynamite’s 900 thousand to Impact’s sub-200 thousand weekly viewership, and realize that adding yet another hour to what exists is more likely to get you on the low end and not the high one. And with 200 thousand or less in network TV, syndication or a major basic cable channel you’re in ‘Infomercials will bring in more money than this’ territory.
For all intents and purposes, the space to add more wrestling TV shows was eaten up in 2019 when Dynamite premiered and NXT went live on USA Network. And since then AEW added Rampage while WOW essentially replaced ROH. Out of the nine shows that air on television Rampage, the one directly in the middle of the pack, can’t even get 500 thousand viewers according to Nielsen. That’s a drop from 2 million for the number one show (Smackdown) to 400 thousand for the fifth highest show, a 75 percent drop. If you think that’s insignificant go look at how many police shows are on network TV, then compare number 1 to number 5 and you’ll see that the percentage drop is a lot smaller. If the demand for pro wrestling was that big then you’d see a lot more shows on TV than there are now. NWA and New Japan Strong would be on television already. AEW’s YouTube shows, Dark and Dark Elevation, would be on television. Hell, NXT UK would have gotten an hour on USA or FS1 as well. Long story short, whatever remaining demand there was in 2018 for pro wrestling on TV has been met and there isn’t any left to warrant giving another company a TV deal.
But that’s not all. No, there’s one more thing:
ROH just isn’t appealing
I say this as an ROH fan, someone who was watching and attending ROH shows up until and including Final Battle 2022. Ring of Honor is the ultimate niche product, loved by a vocal few inside of what is already a small bubble within the realm of entertainment. I say this with nothing but love; look at Ring of Honor’s product from aesthetics to overall presentation and tell me if that is the kind of thing that you are going to convince a TV network to pay you for. It isn’t. ROH lasted on TV under Sinclair because they were owned by the same people who owned all the TV stations and were cheap programming. In fact they weren’t cheap, they were free once the production and the talent was paid for. Any type of rights deal, even a low rate one, eliminates the very thing that made them an asset for Sinclair.
But without that they just don’t pass the eye test for the people who’s attention you hope to get if you want it to grow beyond it’s existing, small audience. Let me put it like this – if people called AEW, which at least looks like they spend some money to produce, a low rent/bootleg WWE what would they call ROH? I can’t see any scenario in which a TV executive watches any ROH programming and says ‘yeah, sign us up to pay millions of dollars per year for that’. Ring of Honor TV in 2021 was looking a step up from the old territory shows in the 1980s, and while some see a charm in that it’s also a barrier to getting new people to try it. I’m not saying you need a full on WWE style production, but if they can’t match or come close to what AEW does than good luck selling that.
In closing yeah, you should have never expected an ROH TV deal to happen. A product that looks outdated, no matter how good it actually was, in a market that has shrunk considerably over the last 4 years – largely because of the man who bought them and the show he’s been running since 2019. If you’re pulling for them to succeed and you have the means I suggest you sign up for Honor Club because that’s the only way you’re gonna get to see them every week.
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AJ’s Top 3 Favorite SummerSlams
AJ is back with his annual opinion article, and this time the SummerSlam buzz got him wondering about his personal Top 3.
It’s been a while since I have done any form of writing and SummerSlam is this Saturday. Of all the SummerSlams I’ve seen over the years; which ones are my favorites? While it’s not a revolutionary idea, I figured everyone loves to debate favorites of well, anything. Don’t worry though because this isn’t just going to be pure recency bias. I’ve watched the majority of them so with the ones I put on the list, it hit me more in some way shape or form whether it was story, a really good match or it just felt like a solid event.
At least this proves WWE is trending in a good direction for me, when it gets the ol’ brain juices flowing just because a show is around the corner!
#3: 2022 (Ol’ Brock Lesnar Has A Farm)
Starting off the show, we get Bianca looking for a rematch against Becky from last years SummerSlam and it was better than the 21 second affair that everyone claims was a squash. This time Bianca holds her own and beats the Man in a fairly decent match, good way to get the event started. Next up is the heat seeking missile, Logan Paul against the former heat seeking missile because, well he wasn’t cut out for it and wasn’t a guy in everyone’s eyes, The Miz. After they had their blow off at Mania with Logan coming out on top which… isn’t awful, I just don’t like Logan Paul because he has that dude bro aura and swagger to make him more hateable than any other person on the card. Which I suppose is his gimmick…so…kudos?
First Championship match is for the US Championship and it’s as expected that in Theory, he should never beat someone to the caliber of Bobby Lashley which is no surprise. Dominik and Rey still back when Dom wanted the good fight against the Judgement Day before joining them later. The former Colts players, which they hammered it dahn in this match up showed that the canal swimming, trash talkin’, podcastin’, current RAW Color Commentatin’ goofball we all love, Pat McAfee came out on top again Bum Ass Corbin.
Usos putting the Street Profits on lockdown in the penitentiary since I believe this was peak Bloodline with the belt collecting and running all of WWE. Liv beat Ronda Rousey which isn’t astonishing but it’s not something people had on their bingo cards for anything with WWE so it was a nice little shock factor. The most memorable part of the night is obviously the Main Event, Lesnar brings the tractor, Roman catching the Microphone and Brock stands on top of the vehicle. Damn good match that showed off what they do in the ring since Roman caught his stride as the main bad guy and Brock… liked people after all of this? That is still a weird statement in my head. Brock being a good guy people person. If Liv wasn’t on bingo cards for wrestling, that is not on bingo cards in any aspect of life really.
That is more of the event that had solid matches and story going for it. No weird double count out, multiple people involved, 5 tag matches on the card. Things made sense and weren’t convoluted, had shocking moments that were great to see like Liv actually getting a title defense and there were the results we all expected at the time like Theory losing in 4 minutes to Bobby Lashley.
#2: 2009 (Are You Ready for The Return?)
This event wasn’t that strong. It was strong with the star power involved in 2009 with guys like Rey Mysterio as Intercontinental Champion, Orton and Cena for the WWE Championship as it was becoming as stale as month old chips and CM Punk was facing Jeff Hardy before he ultimately returned to TNA at the beginning of 2010 after this PPV. For me, it’s not so much of the show itself, it was more of the memories because the Balai as our friends Chris Platt and Rey Cash like to call my brother and I, we were just coming back into wrestling and we were TNA Fans. We didn’t watch WWE that much really, it was just what came on after another channel had old ROH shows before they moved to three hours and swallowed the 8pm Eastern Slot. No, the reason why this has so many memories for me is three main reasons. First, Orton and Cena. They have had their rivalry since the beginning it seems, being each others foils like Hogan and Piper before them and there had to be a stipulation where if Randy was Counted Out or DQ’d, he’d lose the championship regardless. This was prime Viper Randy and the obvious joke we had of Super Cena where he very rarely lost, unless it was SummerSlam surprisingly enough.
Number two reason was CM Punk and Jeff Hardy. Hardys known for the Ladder and TLC matches in the past and this being the penultimate match for this feud and it was a banger of a match. If you didn’t know Punk before, it was a great introduction to his wrestling. I used to like Punk a lot because of this match because he could talk, wrestle… and not insanely personal with things in wrestling. In all seriousness, this was a great match. Ultimate risks, high reward for Punk grabbing the World Heavyweight Championship and he was given his next feud because of the final boss of SmackDown at that time. Thanks, Teddy Long.
The main and final reason though why this match gave me the memories flowing back is more of the fact that one of my closest and longest termed friends of 23 years, also loves wrestling. Back when we were younger, he’d do MoCap videos on YouTube with his figures. We’d have friends come over for parties at his house and we’d do the one thing WWE always told us not to do and that was try it at home. He was always stronger than me, I was always more charismatic. He had the power aspect and did things with brute force, I could talk my way out of trouble with parents if we did something wrong. There was always one thing that our respective mother’s always called us though… it’s on the tip of my tongue… oh right, ‘Degenerates’.
As soon as we were called that, we kind of parodied the DX line. I was limber enough to do the HBK pose and do a Superkick before it became the new DDT and he would just Spinebuster people and knew how to do the water spit. So what do you think was the main reason we even ordered this PPV for his 13th Birthday? I think the two guys we were pretending to be were set to return on a tank and toss out some glow sticks. The return of DX, Shawn Michaels coming back after Mania with Triple H to deal with the Legacy problem was an amazing return for them and made everything so much fun.
So we have the solid card and this one has a personal story… what’s my number one SummerSlam? Is it personal? Well yes but not going into that. Is it a good card? To me, it was a phenomenal card! Is it memorable? Seeing how wrestling fans still mention at least three matches to this day.
#1: 2005 (Octopus in the Washer, Lover’s Quarrel and Where the F%#$ is Vickie?)
Quite possibly some of the best matches I’ve seen and one that was just the most hilarious moments of overselling in wrestling history, I know why I love this SummerSlam but it’s also a really good card at the same time. Redacted beats Orlando Jordan in 25 seconds for the US Title and they made jokes about it like, he can make a coffee faster than he beat Orlando and stuff like that, it’s pretty funny. Angle getting sick of Eugene’s antics for his Gold Medal was also a great bit they had play up, the Year long feud of Randy Orton and Undertaker was still going on where Orton comes out on top this time around to get the win back from Mania, Jericho returning for the match with Cena in a whole promotional thing for each other’s groups, Fozzy for Jericho and the Chain Gang doing Bad, Bad Man for Cena leading up to a match for the WWE Championship. JBL won a 20 man battle royal on SmackDown to win the Championship…… Opportunity to face the newest member of SmackDown, Batista but the three main matches that a lot of people talk about to this day; Edge vs Matt Hardy, Rey vs Eddie for Dominik and Hogan vs HBK in the Main Event.
I have reasons to enjoy the Hardy/Edge match but it looked like a real fight, it really made us believe that Matt Hardy was going to kill Edge because real names were dropped during this tirade from Hardy. It wasn’t Edge and Lita, it was Adam and Amy. Matt was so dead set on beating the hell out of Edge that they made a situation into gold and it was a great moment for this match to happen, I believe it was also an Unsanctioned Match too which added the intensity until matt got concussed and knocked senseless that it looked like he couldn’t fight for anything but the build up was what made it seem like a marque match. It made it feel real, it made it feel awesome and it made it feel personal.
Eddie kept tormenting Rey Mysterio about Dominik not being Rey’s but Eddie’s for the summer. That’s all you heard from Eddie being the weasel he was is hanging out with Dominik, making the world believe it’s his son and what not (Let’s not do a fast forward to today where he has the mullet, mustache and everything like Eddie) but they settle this in a Ladder Match where the top of it is a document for the custody of Dominik and my god, this match is better than it should have been. I expect nothing else from Eddie because the man hated having a bad match, Dom got involved and stopped Eddie, Vickie was late and stopped Eddie. The whole match was good it was just very weird with the premise but was a great match. I wonder if Rey regrets his decision to win the match now…
Octopus in a Washing Machine… those five words have resonated with Shawn Michaels’ performance in this match, forever. It was supposed to be an amazing match up between Hogan and Michaels, Icon vs Icon it said and suddenly Hogan’s back gives out, can’t do a trilogy of matches so we can only do the one and then pull out of everything after. This match was set up to be a classic and instead turned into the most unbelievable sell fest ever. A Hogan big boot caused Shawn to tumble 3 or 4 times, getting crotched on the ropes had HBK bouncing higher than he should have, being tossed out of the ring made it look like Shawn never broke his back in 1998 from how much he flopped and flipped around like crazy. It’s bad… or maybe even good that a lot of current wrestlers watched this match that went, “I can sell like that, I want to be a wrestler” and did. So good or bad, I don’t know but for some reason this PPV has always had a place in my heart for how memorable it was.
Those are my top three SummerSlams so far but who knows, 2024 has potential to maybe bump something or at least get me to consider a shift. Should be fun to see how the show plays out! What are some of your favorite SummerSlams?
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