Opinion
Andrew’s Top 5 Matches: Week Ending 10/4/2020
Japanese tournaments are still going strong, but there are a few North American matches that make it into the Top 5! Which match was your favorite of the past week?
Well now, if you’ve been paying attention the last few weeks, you know the Japanese tournaments have done a good job at encompassing a lot of my time. So there’s not a ton of TV beyond Impact, because I cover Impact. This week is similar, but I capped off last week with NXT TakeOver 31, so some names may look more familiar!
Since this week is just a Top 5, let’s see how last week’s vote shaped the September pool!
September MOTY Pool:
- NXT: Vacant NXT Championship: Finn Balor vs Adam Cole
- AEW All Out: AEW Tag Team Championship: Hangman Page & Kenny Omega (c) vs FTR
- AEW Dynamite: Parking Lot Fight: Santana & Ortiz vs Best Friends
- G1 Climax 30 Day 5: Kota Ibushi vs Tomohiro Ishii
As you can see, even though AEW and NXT have taken a small backseat to my priority list, they still are decently represented in the September Pool. Even though I like Ibushi vs Ishii better as a match, my vote will go to the Parking Lot Fight, because it was actually well orchestrated and capped off the story solidly.
Now on to this week!
Quick Top 5:
- Victory Road: Impact World Championship: Eddie Edwards vs Eric Young (c)
Rating: **** ½ - TakeOver 31: NXT Championship: Kyle O’Reilly vs Finn Balor (c)
Rating: **** ¼ - N-1 Victory Day 6: A Block: Go Shiozaki vs Kaito Kiyomiya
Rating: **** ¼ - G1 Climax 30 Day 8: Tetsuya Naito vs SANADA
Rating: **** ¼ - G1 Climax 30 Day 6: Tetsuya Naito vs Hirooki Goto
Rating: **** ¼
Honorable Mentions:
- G1 Climax 30 Day 8: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs YOSHI-HASHI
Rating: **** - G1 Climax 30 Day 7: Tomohiro Ishii vs Shingo Takagi
Rating: **** - Victory Road: Four Way Tag Rules: Ace Austin w/Fulton vs Karl Anderson w/Gallows vs Alex Shelley w/Chris Sabin & Josh Alexander w/Ethan Page
Rating: *** ¾ - N-1 Victory Day 5: A Block: Masaaki Mochizuki vs Manabu Soya
Rating: *** ¾ - TakeOver 31: North American Championship: Johnny Gargano vs Damian Priest (c)
Rating: *** ¾ - G1 Climax 30 Day 6: Zack Sabre Jr vs KENTA
Rating: *** ¾ - N-1 Victory Day 6: B Block: Katsuhiko Nakajima vs Naomichi Marufuji
Rating: *** ¾ - G1 Climax 30 Day 7: Will Ospreay vs Jay White
Rating: *** ¾ - UWN Prime Time Live: NWA National Championship: Trevor Murdoch vs Aron Stevens(c)
Rating: *** ½ - TakeOver 31: NXT Women’s Championship: Io Shirai (c) vs Candice LeRae
Rating: *** ½ - G1 Climax 30 Day 6: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Juice Robinson
Rating: *** ½ - N-1 Victory Day 5: A Block: Go Shiozaki vs Masa Kitamiya
Rating: *** ½ - G1 Climax 30 Day 7: Taichi vs Kazuchika Okada
Rating: *** ½ - IMPACT!: The North vs Ace Austin & Madman Fulton
Rating: *** ½ - N-1 Victory Day 6: B Block: Kenoh vs Takashi Sugiura
Rating: *** ½ - Victory Road: Tenille Dashwood vs Jordynne Grace
Rating: *** ½ - TakeOver 31: Kushida vs Velveteen Dream
Rating: *** ½ - G1 Climax 30 Day 7: Jeff Cobb vs Kota Ibushi
Rating: *** ¼ - TakeOver 31: NXT Cruiserweight Championship: Santos Escobar (c) vs Isaiah Scott
Rating: *** ¼ - G1 Climax 30 Day 6: YOSHI-HASHI vs SANADA
Rating: *** ¼ - G1 Climax 30 Day 8: KENTA vs EVIL
Rating: *** ¼ - N-1 Victory Day 5: B Block: Naomichi Marufuji vs Shuhei Taniguchi
Rating: *** ¼ - NJPW Strong Ep. 9: LBC Semi-Final: Logan Riegel vs Clark Connors
Rating: *** ¼ - Victory Road: The Rascalz (Dez & Wentz) vs XXXL (Larry D & Acey Romero)
Rating: *** ¼ - NJPW Strong Ep. 9: Misterioso, Rocky Romero, Jeff Cobb & David Finlay vs KENTA, Jay White, Hikuleo & Chase Owens
Rating: *** - N-1 Victory Day 6: A Block: Masa Kitamiya vs Masaaki Mochizuki
Rating: *** - IMPACT!: The Rascalz (Dez & Wentz) vs The Good Brothers
Rating: *** - NJPW Strong Ep. 9: LBC Semi-Final: Danny Limelight vs Blake Christian
Rating: *** - G1 Climax 30 Day 8: Hirooki Goto vs Zack Sabre Jr
Rating: *** - N-1 Victory Day 5: B Block: Katsuhiko Nakajima vs Yoshiki Inamura
Rating: *** - Victory Road: Brian Myers vs Tommy Dreamer
Rating: *** - UWN Prime Time Live Ep 3: United Tag Team Title: Real Money Brother$ vs SoCal Distancing(c)
Rating: *** - Victory Road: Knockouts Championship: Susie w/Kylie Rae vs Deonna Purrazzo (c) w/ Kimber Lee
Rating: ***
2t. G1 Climax 30 Day 6: Tetsuya Naito vs Hirooki Goto
From My Results:
Combinacion Cabron gets countered again, but Naito has a counter for the counter. An interesting swing and miss from Goto, leads to Naito wrenching the arm, bringing Goto down and applying Puma Blanca. Goto breaks the Puma Blanca, and then wrestle toward the corner and up to the top rope. What looked to be a chance for Naito to hit an Avalanche Frankensteiner, turned into Goto hitting a Superplex followed up by a Plancha to the outside (okay, Goto doesn’t fly much).
Goto rolls Naito back in, hits the Flying Elbow, but only a two count. GTW is attempted, Naito slides out, then there’s a little rope run dodging, Naito tries to grab and arm, but eats a Lariat for his trouble. When Goto tries to continue, Naito grabs a hold of the head for a quick Swing DDT. They both struggle to their feet and Naito batters Goto with three sets Back Elbows and tries to keep Goto down. Naito takes Goto to the top turnbuckle again, hits the Avalanche Frakensteiner and looks for the Running Destino.
Goto counters the Running Destino with a Reverse GTR, into a hanging Reverse GTR, but only a two. GTR attempted, fought out of, Goto then tries for GTW, but Naito counters with a Destino, and both men are down. Elbow exchange that Naito gets the best of, Goto counters with Ushigoroshi, Naito counters the next with a short Destino, and then Goto counters another Destino with GTW. Goto looks for the Round Kick, but Naito hits Valentia, then the Arm Wringer version of Destino, for the pinfall!
Winner: Naito via Destino
2t. G1 Climax 30 Day 8: Tetsuya Naito vs SANADA
From Mitchell’s Coverage:
Sanada squeezes tighter on Skull End, Naito scoots around but is fading! Red Shoes asks him but Naito refuses to quit. Naito gets his head free again, Sanada sits him up to get the dragon sleeper back! Sanada drags Naito from ropes to drop back down with the body scissors! Naito is caught but he still endures as fans still rally! Red Shoes asks, Naito is slow to respond, so Sanada drops him to go up top! MOONSAULT! But Naito moves and Sanada flops! Fans rally up as Naito gets to the corner. Naito sits up, watches Sanada stir and the fans rally harder. Sanada rises, Naito runs in, tilt-o-whirl but no Destino! SKULL END, but Naito slips out fast to try again, DESTINO HITS!! Cover, TWO!?!? Sanada survives and the fans are thunderous again!
Naito drags Sanada up, wrenches and tilt-o-whirls, but Sanada blocks Destino to flip Naito into the dragon sleeper! Naito slips through to suplex, Sanada kicks back, Valentia is just a normal brain buster now! But that still has Sanada in a daze and fans rally up again. Naito and Sanada head for each other, Naito gets a leg to then throw elbows and an enziguri! Naito drags Sanada back up, tries Valentia again, Sanada steals DESTINO!! Cover, TWO!! Naito survives but Sanada fires back up! Sanada goes up top, MOONSAULTS Naito on the back! Sanada goes again, MOONSAULT to Naito’s chest!! Cover, Sanada wins!!!!
Winner: SANADA via Moonsault
2t. N-1 Victory Day 6: A Block: Go Shiozaki vs Kaito Kiyomiya
The Sleeper Hold transitions into the Neck Crank that Kaito started employing, and it’s all smart offense. He wrenches on Shiozaki’s neck, which softens things for the Neck Crank or possibly the Tiger Suplex, all finishers that put pressure on the neck and shoulders. Shiozaki breaks the hold, looks worse for wear, but gets some space after a desperation lariat.
Kaito charges the corner, but Shiozaki gets a foot up. Then he grabs Kaito and powers him up to the middle rope for an Avalanche Brainbuster. Shortly after that, we see Shiozaki pull off the Go Flasher, but only for 2. Kaito fights back and we see Go grab him and pull of the Limit Breaker to slow the momentum. Kaito no sells a little, they face each other, charge and Shiozaki levels him with a Lariat. Shiozaki goes to the ropes for a Moonsault, but Kaito stops that and we see some positioning struggles.
A near Avalanche Brainbuster, turns into an Avalanche Reverse DDT from Kaito to Shiozaki, only a near fall though. Kaito then hits an Emerald Flowsion, again only for 2, but the damage seems to have been severe to Shiozaki’s neck. Tiger Suplex gets locked in, held on with a bridge and Kaito wins!
Winner: Kaito via Tiger Suplex Hold
2t. TakeOver 31: NXT Championship: Kyle O’Reilly vs Finn Balor (c)
From Mitchell’s Coverage:
Balor is stuck, Kyle has the legs for a DRAPING DRAGON SCREW! Balor tumbles down but Kyle drags him up again, for another DRAGON SCREW in the ropes! Kyle hurries to a corner as Balor is stuck again! FLYING KNEE DROP! Balor is down now but Kyle heads up top!? ANOTHER FLYING KNEE! And the KNEEBAR!! Balor endures as Kyle has the Achilles Lock!! Balor hurries to pry the hold apart but Kyle just shifts to another angle! Balor endures, kicks at Kyle, but that leg gets caught! DOUBLE HEEL HOOK!! Fans are electric as Balor punches Kyle! Kyle just wrenches both ankles again! Balor turns over, crawls and reaches, ROPEBREAK! Kyle has no choice but to let go! The crowd chants for “NXT! NXT!” for another incredible main event!
Kyle throws off the wrist tape in frustration as he grits his teeth. Kyle KICKS Balor in the leg and Balor falls over! Kyle hobbles and Balor flounders up, but Balor drops down to avoid another kick! Balor suckers Kyle into a trip up and DOUBLE STOMP! Kyle clutches his stomach, but he still runs in to KNEE Balor in the corner! GERMAN SUPLEX! But Balor’s right up to DOUBLE STOMP again!! Both men are down and the crowd is still fired up! Balor hobbles over to a corner and he drags himself up the ropes. Balor leaps, COUP DE GRACE!!! Cover, Balor wins!!
Winner: Balor via Coup de Grace
1. Victory Road: Impact World Championship: Eddie Edwards vs Eric Young (c)
The champion maintains control for a while as he finds different ways to torque on the injured ankle. Eddie flips through a Backdrop, but the ankle gives him trouble, so it’s a nice struggle of Eddie trying to block and fight back, while severely hampered. Eddie and EY start a chop exchange, which Eddie seems to get the best of, before EY hits a Forearm. Then when it looks like EY’s got him close, Blue Thunder…Face Buster, Inverted Blue Thunder Bomb…not sure, but it’s effective for Eddie.
Another Blue Thunder bomb gets Eddie a near fall, a TKO followed by the Edge of Sanity from EY gives him a near fall, and we see both men trying to just throw haymakers. Eddie manages to hit a Tiger Driver on like one and a half legs, then he goes for the Boston Knee Party, but EY gets his arms up to block. The fight up to the top turnbuckle, EY looks for an Avalanche DDT, but Eddie turns it into an Avalanche Blue Thunder Bomb. Eddie looks for another big move, perches EY, but EY counters by twisting Eddie’s legs and just throwing him knees first back on to the mat. Spinning Toe Hold from EY makes him look like an opportunistic genius, but Eddie’s shoe comes off, Boston Knee Party…but too close to the ropes and EY drapes the leg. EY kicks the leg, Piledriver, into Spinning Toe Hold and Eddie taps out!
Winner: EY via Spinning Toe Hold
Thoughts:
Now even if Steve Cook wasn’t a fan of the Balor vs O’Reilly match, I definitely appreciated the story that O’Reilly was supposed to be “a secret”, so you couldn’t have him come out immediately looking equal to a decorated champion. With that said though, Eric Young proved a lot to me in the Victory Road main event. Eddie Edwards has always been known as a good worker, just lacking on charisma; but this match checked a lot of boxes for me. It focused on Eddie’s heart and being able to fight through the pain, and EY’s delight in causing pain. So EY’s sadistic side is what kept Eddie in the match sometimes, and Eddie shined with the ring work he’s known for.
So if you couldn’t figure it out, Eric Young vs Eddie Edwards, gets my vote because that was a great story, great match and just really helped everything along for Bound for Glory.
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Chris King: Defend The Intercontinental Championship At Backlash!
With WWE Backlash upon us, Chris King wants to see Penta defend the Intercontinental Championship in Tampa!
With WWE Backlash upon us, Chris King wants to see Penta defend the Intercontinental Championship in Tampa!
This year’s annual Backlash showcase is only a few days away, and while there are many big matches announced, one that definitely should be isn’t on the card. In my opinion, outside of Roman Reigns/Jacob Fatu and Seth Rollins/Bron Breakker, the Intercontinental Championship scene has been stellar over the last month.
Penta has been an excellent champion, especially after his triumphant title defense in a ladder match against JeVon Evans, Rusev, Dragon Lee, and the Hall of Famer Rey Mysterio at WrestleMania 42. Their ladder match at Mania was one of the best that WWE has produced in a while.
The momentum never stopped, as on the post-Mania episode of Monday Night Raw, ‘All Ego’ Ethan Page made his debut and was quickly inserted into the Intercontinental title scene. Page had a fantastic showing against his longtime NXT rival Evans and picked up a big win in his debut match thanks to an assist from Rusev.
All Ego immediately joined forces with ‘The Bulgarian Brute’ Rusev, who was also vying for the Intercontinental Title in his own right. On this week’s episode of Raw, Page and Rusev defeated Evans and Penta. All Ego pinned the champion, making a huge statement and putting him one step closer to getting a title shot. For the past few weeks I’ve been anxiously waiting to see if WWE was going to add this incredible fatal four-way match for the Intercontinental Championship, but it hasn’t happened yet.
As much as the WWE Universe enjoys witnessing great matches on free television, I truly believe all four superstars deserve the chance to showcase their talents on the PLE. While Penta has done a terrific job as the intercontinental champion, it’s time for a fresh face to hold the prestigious title. Page would make a great braggadocious heel that would help elevate the Intercontinental Championship to new heights!
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Our Chairshot Take – Releases, Forbidden Door, Women’s Wrestling, LFG, and The Bloodline
Welcome to Our Chairshot Take! This week, 5 of your favorite contributors answer questions about the WWE releases, the Forbidden Door alliance, women main eventing WrestleMania, wrestling competition shows, and The Bloodline!
Welcome to Our Chairshot Take! This week, 5 of your favorite contributors answer questions about the WWE releases, the Forbidden Door alliance, women main eventing WrestleMania, wrestling competition shows, and The Bloodline!
Welcome to a new weekly wrestling column featuring some of your favorite Chairshot contributors (and some outside of Chairshot as well) – Our Chairshot Take! Every week, we’ll have 5 contributors answer 5 of the most interesting, intriguing, and relevant questions that you want answers too. Please, feel free to tell us why we’re right or wrong, and most importantly, let us know YOUR take! And don’t forget, #AlwaysUseYourHead!
How do you think professional wrestling companies should handle releases?
Greg: It’s hard, because personally I don’t know how they could do it any better. It’s the wrestling media who jumps on the news–and they’re just doing their job. As Booker T says, don’t hate the playa, hate the game. For wrestling news, that’s the game. Plus, some talents are going to tell the media, and that’s their prerogative.
So instead, I offer you some other solutions:
Come up with a longevity threshold where a talent can keep their name. Call it 6 years. We released Apollo Crews? He can go and be Apollo Crews elsewhere. WWE still retains ownership over the name, but they provide him permission to use it. Because, yes, they owned it and developed it, but he made it real. Let him keep it alive, if he chooses to.
Guarantee main roster deals for two years. In the case of Aleister Black, it’s easily plausible that 3-6 months from now, we’ll all see a glaring hole that he could have filled. Some things take time to get right.
Finally, leverage that TNA partnership. Keeping with the same example, imagine sending Aleister Black & Zelina Vega to TNA as a shocking surprise. It helps everyone. Work out something where TNA covers a portion of the contract. Elevate the partnership, and rise that tide that raises all ships.
Andrew: The way they’re done now is fine. There’s no pomp and circumstance for normal people when they get fired, and some traditional sports stars find out they’re traded or cut because of ESPN. Wrestling ain’t special or fancy. News nowadays is about first out, not moral high ground. Deal with it.
Kyle: Unless someone asked for their release, there really isn’t a good way to handle it. Inevitably, there will always be a section of fans who are unhappy with one of their favorite stars being released. That being said, I do think it’s generally good business to grant releases to people who ask for them, and I’m definitely not a fan of adding time onto someone’s contract who no longer wants there just because they may have been injured at some point.
Karl: I’ve never been a big fan of the announced releases. I think it brings too much unwanted attention to the employees during an already difficult time. I’m not one to defend a corporate entity either, and it’s no secret that companies fire and hire employees all the time on a daily basis whether for good reasons or bad. That said, I would find it better, or perhaps more palatable that releases are done quietly with little drawn attention. Allow that privacy for the employee being released. If they want to announce that they’ve been let go, that should fall to them, not on wrestling journalists looking for a scoop.
Rob: There should be no leaks before the wrestlers themselves are told by the companies. And I’d give people a chance to ask for theirs if they want to leave before we make any roster decisions.
Has the Forbidden Door alliance – AEW, CMLL, and New Japan – worked?
Greg: For who??? That’s rhetorical, and it’s also the point. AEW’s “strategic partnerships” haven’t benefited anyone other than AEW. Look at New Japan today: struggling. Bouncing the title around to see who sticks. Konosuke Takeshita was a perfect option for IWGP Heavyweight Champion. Didn’t have it long enough to gain traction. Send people out on longer tours, let them truly impact someone else’s business. THAT is how you build a strategic partnership.
Yes, no one from TNA has held a WWE NXT Championship outside of the Hardys. And yes, someone should. Jordynne Grace and Joe Hendry signed with WWE? It was always going to happen. At least TNA got some bump out of it. Guess what? Mike Santana and Leon Slater are gonna sign at some point, too. But their presence in WWE NXT helps TNA.
AEW’s partnerships — TNA, New Japan, and CMLL — have only benefited AEW. And that’s now how this is supposed to work.
Andrew: Hahahahahaha, oh, you’re serious? NJPW has become a farm system. Their main event scene has been in tatters and I’ve seen rats leave a sinking ship slower. NJPW went from arguably the second biggest company in the world to a footnote in where a new person comes from to the general audience. Also, AAA has been more relevant in the conversation of wrestling media in the last 6 months, as compared to CMLL in the last 5 years. This Alliance is the Go Bots of pro wrestling. Discount, K-Mart, wannabe super group, that is about as significant as Damnocracy.
Kyle: It’s worked out for AEW, but I don’t think it’s really worked for CMLL and especially not for New Japan. I can’t remember the last time that NJPW has been down as bad as they are right now. The “alliance” such as it is essentially functions as a way for AEW to test the reactions that foreign talent receive and decide whether or not to poach them from CMLL or New Japan by throwing money at them.
Karl: I don’t particularly follow these companies, but I think the answer is probably somewhere between yes and no. Defining what would make the alliance successful would be the best way to break it down. What were the goals? If the goal was to get a million dream matches on the docket, I think it’s a success. It’s a great way to get wrestling matches you couldn’t always get otherwise. If the goal was some monetary gain or bringing eyes to compete with the big dog on the block, then it’s probably less of a success. So with that, I’d probably say it’s both successful and unsuccessful depending on what your expectations were/are of the idea.
Rob: For AEW, absolutely. They’ve gotten to use people from New Japan for various things. I don’t know if it’s worked great for New Japan given how many people AEW has signed that were theirs first. CMLL has gotten to use some AEW talent on their shows so I’d call that a win for them.
What will it take for there to be another women’s main event at WrestleMania?
Greg: Intent. That’s it. It’s a quick answer. “We put the most deserving match in that spot” is a bullshit cop out. You have the ability to book and showcase the product based on your plans. If you come out of every WrestleMania with the non-negotiable that women will be in the main event of one night of WrestleMania, then you will make it happen.
You build guardrails and parameters to follow. It’s not rocket science. I book my local independent and I have had women in the main event multiple times, and had a woman win our annual Rumble and use that to win our Heavyweight Championship. I made it happen because I had an intentional plan: before, during, and after. And that’s on the indies!
It can be done, you just have to want to do it.
Andrew: A compelling story and the ability to draw the crowd in. Anyone who thinks workrate matters is a fool. If Gina Carano and Ronda Rousey had their match at Mania instead of a Netflix special, THAT would’ve headlined the show. We are a long way away from any personalities being Earth shattering enough to move a main event needle. Maybe when Bianca Belair comes back from pregnancy, but that depends on her dance partner.
Kyle: It would have to be both the right combination of major stars and a strong story that the crowds are invested in. If anyone on the current roster who’s healthy could pull it off, it’s probably Rhea just because she’s massively over still.
Karl: Given the ownership group, a miracle probably. I just don’t think that TKO understands the company they own. This isn’t anything new. We see it time and time again when larger corporations purchase companies just to have more assets on their balance sheet. The quality dips because suits have hijacked what made the product great in the past. Wrestling is no different. That’s not to say that having women main event WrestleMania is the exact thing that makes wrestling great, but the idea that anyone can get to the top, or break down a barrier, especially in sport (scripted or otherwise) is part of what makes entertainment in this format so wonderful. I don’t trust the people in charge to have their finger on the pulse of what makes wrestling great, so therefore, I think even if the women’s stories demanded top billing, they wouldn’t get it anytime soon. I’ll be happy to be wrong.
Rob: The men’s side will have to clear out a bit. As long as Roman, Cody, and Punk are still there, forget it. Especially now that Oba will be there as soon as next year and Trick is coming up. Throw in Seth and Randy, and those spots are taken for the foreseeable future. To even get in the conversation though, they have to book some kind of compelling story between two or three women that rivals what the men at the top are doing. That requires treating one or two women as equals to Rhea creatively, even if they aren’t as popular, and not just booking for pops and title wins on big 4 PLEs.
Why do you think the winners of wrestling competition shows aren’t usually successful?
Greg: The most important word in the phrase “wrestling competition show” is the last one: show. It’s a show first, a true competition later. Pumping out true successful talent isn’t actually it’s job. it’s job is to payoff for whoever is paying for the show. That’s driven by results: viewers and advertising dollars. A&E doesn’t care of Shiloh Hill main events WrestleMania unless it means more financial payoff for their investment in WWE LFG. I do think we are too quick to thrust talent into a primary role after winning. Give them time.
For my eyeballs? I’d rather see true reality style coverage, think NFL Hard Knocks, or schools like Cody Rhodes’ Nightmare Factory and Booker T’s Reality of Wrestling. With the WWE machine behind it, it can work. But in the current format, it doesn’t exist to put out TV ready talent–that’s what Evolve and NXT are for.
Plus, who is making the decisions in the end? If it’s not Triple H, Bruce Prichard, Michael Hayes, and Tony Khan (for AEW, obviously), then it doesn’t matter who wins.
Andrew: Because they aren’t wrestlers. Why aren’t most American Idol winners successful? Talent does not equate to understanding the business you want to be in. We all know of music artists we wish were more well known, but they don’t understand the game well enough to play it. It’s easy to fake it for 8 weeks on camera; it’s another thing to have the determination and resolve to live it 24/7.
Kyle: I think most of the competition show winners aren’t successful because the writing team for the competition show and the creative team for the wrestling show usually aren’t the same. Add to that the fact that the winners of these shows are usually rushed to television too soon because the company wants to capitalize on the popularity of the show, and you have a recipe for a lot of winners ending up released sooner rather than later. Arguably the most successful wrestling competition show winner was John Morrison, who won Tough Enough III, and he was given a couple of years to develop in OVW and wasn’t put on TV until he was ready and creative had something for him. Most winners don’t get that opportunity to grow, and thus, they end up failing in the long run.
Karl: Much like the winners of American Idol or The Voice don’t typically amount to a hill of beans, I see wrestling competition shows in the same vein. Sure, you’ll have the occasional standout, but it’s just really hard to be consistently great at anything without working at it. On a competition show, you’re all in, all the time, because otherwise you’re going home. But what happens when you win that show? Does the drive stay high? It can be difficult I think, because once you’re in the door, you’re no longer looked at as someone special. You’re now just like everyone else. Or, the flip side, you’re put under the bright lights too quickly and it doesn’t work. Not to mention, there are people in the locker room who have been working their whole life for this thing you achieved in a matter of months. It’s going to naturally devolve into jealousy by your peers. I think competition show winners fall prey to the pressure of sustained success.
Rob: Winning the competition isn’t the same as succeeding in the real world. The competition is a closed space and its own entity. Just like how Star Search and American Idol winners are often not the most successful people from their group.
Has the Bloodline storyline jumped the shark?
Greg: In a word: no.
In a few words: absolutely hell the freak not.
In more words: do you know what the phrase “jump the shark” actually means? Look it up. It comes from the old TV show Happy Days, where Arthur Fonzarelli, aka “The Fonze” and “Fonzie,” actually jumps over a shark on his motorcycle. After that, the show was never really the same again. Jumping the shark was the moment. That’s what it means.
Now circle back to The Bloodline. What’s their “jump the shark” moment? There isn’t one! Are we producing “cinema” like the height of the Sami Zayn story? No, not at all. But we haven’t jumped the shark. Instead, we’ve evolved. Roman Reigns’ ascension back to the world title saw Jimmy & Jey Uso get slowly infused back into the fold, but what did Roman do after? He said that they now stand together. They are more equal now. There’s no wiseman, there’s no outlier Sami Zayn character, no solo as the right hand man.
It hasn’t jumped the shark, it’s evolved. And I want to see where it goes next.
Andrew: Bloodline should’ve been dead when Jacob and Solo split. I don’t think there’s been anything egregious enough to imply it “Jumped the Shark,” as in, a desperation ploy to keep it going. But it’s just outlasted it’s welcome. While Roman will always be my OTC, and I’ve been ride or die with the Werewolf and G.O.D., we can stop dragging it on into perpetuity. Let people go their own ways without a reference every other month, and no more Honorary Usos. That LA Knight shirt was ALMOST a shark jump…but the angle was so insignificant in the grand scheme of things, it didn’t matter enough to even register anywhere near the Island of Relevancy.
Kyle: I watched Jacob Fatu put the Tribal Chief in a Tongan Death Grip. You’re not gonna catch me in these streets disrespecting any of the Polynesian wrestlers or their storylines. I don’t want NONE of that smoke.
Karl: The Bloodline story is probably running out of juice, for a lot of the same reasons big time storylines run out of juice. There’s not much left to squeeze. There are only so many ways you can take a story. You can try to keep it fresh, and on a smaller scale, you can run into the old nWo problem of too many cooks in the kitchen. The Bloodline ran with a lot of new members, and new introductions. It helped build some of them to important status, but at a certain point, new pathways need to be created for all involved. You can always revisit what made the stories great. I’ve always thought the way the Shield was handled post-break up has been well done. Callbacks here and there to what made them great, to what broke them apart, etc., were always fun ways to remind the fans, but continuing with the angle will always fall flat, especially with how short the attention span of most people can be.
Rob: It all depends on whether or not they have some good enemies this year. If they’re just running back all of the bits they did last time then yes. But if they can find some new things to do, then they’ll be fine.
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Andrew – @IWCWarChief
Kyle – @OutsidersEdgeCS
Karl — @OutsidersEdgeCS
Rob – @rbonne1
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